Woman Posed as a 14-year old boy to have sex with 16 yr old girl

Stearns · 07-08-2010, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Waldo

Following the discussions on topics like this across mainstream publications is a form of torture I would not wish on anyone.

Seriously when you're dealing with people who's first response is "No wonder she lied, she's a fuckin' ugly chick" what hope do you have for a meaningful conversation?

"Her last name is missing a 'K'; "better-looking version of Rachel Maddow"

Waldo · 07-08-2010, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Stearns

"Her last name is missing a 'K'; "better-looking version of Rachel Maddow"

I know we could get wound up on the lesbian bashing here, but I think it goes further, right to root of the issue - a woman did something. Anything, which garnered attention. And that's bad.

It doesn't matter if it's Lindsay Lohan, Michelle Obama, The Queen Mother, Penelope Cruz, or Meghan Fox. Some neanderthal, some where is going to make disparaging comments about her based on her looks. And everything else flows from that.

BullDog · 07-08-2010, 05:29 PM

Yeah, good points by Waldo. I think a lot of the commentary will flow from her being a woman.

Also, I think when any queer- whether it's a gay man, lesbian or whomever is publicly discussed doing something wrong, illegal, stupid, etc we all feel a clench in our stomach for what is to follow- whether they id exactly like we do or not. We know the misogyny, homophobia, transphobia is to follow.

Heart · 07-08-2010, 07:17 PM

Through my lens: My guess is that the primary reaction to this story will be that women are "just as much" pedophiles, "just as much" sexual predators, "just as much" child abusers, as men. And from that will flow the comments about how particularly sick and predatory lesbian women are.

It will be interesting to see if there is any specific scrutiny of transgenderism in this case, or if that was just opportunisitc on her part.

Whenever a woman commits a sexual crime involving a child it is intensely focused upon and sensationalized, in spite of the fact that men commit 85% of sexual crimes involving children.*

*That's reported crimes and yes, if reporting went up, crimes by women would go up, but so would crimes by men.

betenoire · 07-08-2010, 07:26 PM

I read an interesting book a few years back, about women who commit violent crimes. (I get we're not talking about murder right now, but I promise what I am saying is relevant) The book did a bunch of case studies of females who had committed murder, and the outcomes of their trials.

Basically, a woman who is "acceptably" female (ie - attractive, thin, straight, white, domestic, blah blah blah) almost -always- get a lighter sentence than women who are "unacceptably" female. In the case where the woman is unacceptably female she will often get a harsher sentence than a male who commits a similar offense.

I'll be watching this case with interest.

BullDog · 07-08-2010, 07:37 PM

I read about 7 pages of the comments at Huffington. I think I should reward myself with a cookie for getting that far. A lot of it is just ridiculous nonsense, but I do see lots of misogyny, anti-lesbian and transphobic comments made- and it's all mixed and mashed together, which is of course how life is. Nobody makes little boxes around what is misogyny, homophobia, lesbophobia, transphobia etc and most people don't know the differences between all of them.

I do agree with Heart- something like this happens and all of sudden it's- women can be just as bad as men. Yes an individual woman can be, but if you are looking at from a broader perspective the overwhelming majority of violent and sexual crimes are perpetuated by straight males. However, when a straight male commits a crime no one is scrutinizing his gender or sexuality.

I also think that all these ugly types of comments do come from the stereotypes people already have in their heads about women, lesbians and transpeople. Otherwise they wouldn't have these ugly things to say in the first place. That's why I think we have to be vigilant about not perpetuating stereotypes (even in more benign forms) in our queer communities.

07-08-2010, 07:26 PM	#5
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BullDog Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: Dominant Stone Butch Daddy Preferred Pronoun?: She Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: In A Healing Place Posts: 5,371 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 18,160 Thanked 22,637 Times in 4,462 Posts Rep Power: 21474857	Yeah, good points by Waldo. I think a lot of the commentary will flow from her being a woman. Also, I think when any queer- whether it's a gay man, lesbian or whomever is publicly discussed doing something wrong, illegal, stupid, etc we all feel a clench in our stomach for what is to follow- whether they id exactly like we do or not. We know the misogyny, homophobia, transphobia is to follow.

07-08-2010, 07:17 PM	#4
Heart Member How Do You Identify?: Femme Relationship Status: rainbows! Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: NY Posts: 466 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 303 Thanked 2,522 Times in 409 Posts Rep Power: 12032610	Through my lens: My guess is that the primary reaction to this story will be that women are "just as much" pedophiles, "just as much" sexual predators, "just as much" child abusers, as men. And from that will flow the comments about how particularly sick and predatory lesbian women are. It will be interesting to see if there is any specific scrutiny of transgenderism in this case, or if that was just opportunisitc on her part. Whenever a woman commits a sexual crime involving a child it is intensely focused upon and sensationalized, in spite of the fact that men commit 85% of sexual crimes involving children.* *That's reported crimes and yes, if reporting went up, crimes by women would go up, but so would crimes by men.

07-08-2010, 07:37 PM	#6
BullDog Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: Dominant Stone Butch Daddy Preferred Pronoun?: She Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: In A Healing Place Posts: 5,371 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 18,160 Thanked 22,637 Times in 4,462 Posts Rep Power: 21474857	I read about 7 pages of the comments at Huffington. I think I should reward myself with a cookie for getting that far. A lot of it is just ridiculous nonsense, but I do see lots of misogyny, anti-lesbian and transphobic comments made- and it's all mixed and mashed together, which is of course how life is. Nobody makes little boxes around what is misogyny, homophobia, lesbophobia, transphobia etc and most people don't know the differences between all of them. I do agree with Heart- something like this happens and all of sudden it's- women can be just as bad as men. Yes an individual woman can be, but if you are looking at from a broader perspective the overwhelming majority of violent and sexual crimes are perpetuated by straight males. However, when a straight male commits a crime no one is scrutinizing his gender or sexuality. I also think that all these ugly types of comments do come from the stereotypes people already have in their heads about women, lesbians and transpeople. Otherwise they wouldn't have these ugly things to say in the first place. That's why I think we have to be vigilant about not perpetuating stereotypes (even in more benign forms) in our queer communities.