Same-Sex Marriage Update

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by Cyclopea

That is a very good point to remember, especially for me who likes to remember Clinton as a traitor and a sell-out to the cause...

The haters sure do like changing the constitution, don't they?

I have two bumper stickers on my car- one of which has been on there for about 20 years and the other is from the original Mass Equity campaign and states "No Discrimination In The Constitution". A hard concept for some to grasp...

And it is really difficult for many US citizens to grasp the fact that civil & human rights cannot be voted upon. They do not grasp INALIENABLE as it stands in the US Constitution!

in·al·ien·a·ble   

–adjective
not alienable; not transferable to another or capable of being repudiated: inalienable rights.


—Synonyms
inviolable, absolute, unassailable, inherent.

[Cyclopea]

Mexican court upholds capital's gay marriage law
(AP) – 2 hours ago

MEXICO CITY — The Mexican Supreme Court has voted to uphold the constitutionality of Mexico City's 6-month-old law allowing same-sex marriages.
The justices have voted 8-2 to uphold the law against challenges filed by federal prosecutors, who argued it violates the constitutional principle of protection of the family.
Hundreds of couples have been married so far under the law, the first of its kind to be enacted in Latin America.
The court ruled Thursday that the law did not violate the constitution. Justices on the majority side argued that nowhere does the constitution define what a family is.

[MsTinkerbelly]

Originally Posted by Cyclopea

Mexican court upholds capital's gay marriage law
(AP) – 2 hours ago

MEXICO CITY — The Mexican Supreme Court has voted to uphold the constitutionality of Mexico City's 6-month-old law allowing same-sex marriages.
The justices have voted 8-2 to uphold the law against challenges filed by federal prosecutors, who argued it violates the constitutional principle of protection of the family.
Hundreds of couples have been married so far under the law, the first of its kind to be enacted in Latin America.
The court ruled Thursday that the law did not violate the constitution. Justices on the majority side argued that nowhere does the constitution define what a family is.

Awesome news....Thank you for sharing it!!

[Manul]

Originally Posted by AtLastHome

And it is really difficult for many US citizens to grasp the fact that civil & human rights cannot be voted upon. They do not grasp INALIENABLE as it stands in the US Constitution!

in·al·ien·a·ble   

–adjective
not alienable; not transferable to another or capable of being repudiated: inalienable rights.


—Synonyms
inviolable, absolute, unassailable, inherent.

I just wanted to repeat your post.

[suebee]

I was posting on a discussion on a fb group page about "gay" marriage, and noticed a woman who was on the "it's always about sex with you gays" rant. I sent her a private message explaining that it wasn't about sex, and not only did she write back, but went back on the thread and apologized! She then friended me and we've been having a conversation since.

One down.....

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by suebee

I was posting on a discussion on a fb group page about "gay" marriage, and noticed a woman who was on the "it's always about sex with you gays" rant. I sent her a private message explaining that it wasn't about sex, and not only did she write back, but went back on the thread and apologized! She then friended me and we've been having a conversation since.

One down.....

KUDOS to you! Good work! Reminds me of a 3 hour conversation I once had in an RV park with a very Christian man that saw my bumper sticker for same-sex marriage and asked me if I would be willing to talk to him and his wife about this.

We have stayed in contact since 2004 and both of them began to speak-out in their church for same-sex marriage and civil rights for us! They voted against Prop 8. Yes, both were obviously trying to reconcile why not already, but, frankly, if I had been a defensive jerk to them, I doubt that our relationship would have happened and the turn around for them in confronting bigotry in their church. I also gained from this interaction and just plain like these people.

Honestly, I have found that demonstrating just how much I am not the stereotypes of lesbianism/being queer and being open to hets that can hear who I am, works wonders!

[suebee]

Originally Posted by AtLastHome

KUDOS to you! Good work! Reminds me of a 3 hour conversation I once had in an RV park with a very Christian man that saw my bumper sticker for same-sex marriage and asked me if I would be willing to talk to him and his wife about this.

We have stayed in contact since 2004 and both of them began to speak-out in their church for same-sex marriage and civil rights for us! They voted against Prop 8. Yes, both were obviously trying to reconcile why not already, but, frankly, if I had been a defensive jerk to them, I doubt that our relationship would have happened and the turn around for them in confronting bigotry in their church. I also gained from this interaction and just plain like these people.

Honestly, I have found that demonstrating just how much I am not the stereotypes of lesbianism/being queer and being open to hets that can hear who I am, works wonders!

I hear you! She was flamed by several people, but I thought I'd be radical and just reach out! It doesn't always work, but it was at least worth a try! And as you saw, you never know what the ripple effect might be!

[betenoire]

QUICK - I am about to pick a fight with Nick's uncle on facebook. I need to know the name of that rule (I think it might even be in your constitution) that makes it okay/required for judges to overturn votes by the popular majority if said vote holds the minority down.

[SuperFemme]

Originally Posted by betenoire

QUICK - I am about to pick a fight with Nick's uncle on facebook. I need to know the name of that rule (I think it might even be in your constitution) that makes it okay/required for judges to overturn votes by the popular majority if said vote holds the minority down.

the 14th amendmenat

[Cyclopea]

Originally Posted by betenoire

QUICK - I am about to pick a fight with Nick's uncle on facebook. I need to know the name of that rule (I think it might even be in your constitution) that makes it okay/required for judges to overturn votes by the popular majority if said vote holds the minority down.

FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourtee...s_Constitution

(Hope that's what you were looking for)

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by suebee

I hear you! She was flamed by several people, but I thought I'd be radical and just reach out! It doesn't always work, but it was at least worth a try! And as you saw, you never know what the ripple effect might be!

Yup, always worth a try. Sure, there are the way crazy ones that make me cringe (and become angry sometimes, too) that I know nothing will reach, but, some out there will listen.. and change.

In thinking that a major component of allies being younger people (heading toward voting age) and these kind of people that are open to discussion and examining their values and willing to make changes. Numbers in alliances is critical, especially over the next couple of years as this case moves toward being heard by the SC. The opinion goes to the fact that, constitutionally, voting doesn't carry weight, but, positive public opinion about same-sex marriage can override the negative (and actually minority voice) around this issue.

Its too bad the woman you talked with got flamed for her ability to hear you. That very thing can prevent someone from taking a chance with new ways of thinking.

[betenoire]

Originally Posted by Toughy

why is this thingy a canadian? Blame Canada!!!!! (and now that damn song is in my head)

It's your damn fault that 'judicial meddling' is in our Constitution.....

Really, Toughy? I can't tell if you're just fucking with me or not...but it's because of Canada that the whole "judicial meddling" thing is in your Constitution?

Break it down for a girl, wouldjaplease?

[iamkeri1]

I am overcome with joy and gratitude that I have lived to these changes take place. Looking back at what life was like for gay folks 40 years ago (and for centuries before that), I am almost incapable of believing that these changes would come IN MY LIFETIME!!!!
JOY
JOY
JOY
Smooches,
Keri