MUSIC CENTRAL!!!

[WILDCAT]

Originally Posted by Cyclopea

YAY I Won!!!
Yeah, our frames of reference for "hard rock" are very different. But thanks for the historic info, I had forgotten all about Fanny. That's so cool that you have one of their 45's. Have you ever had opportunity to listen to one of their albums? I haven't. Nor the GTO's.
One time years ago I spent hours sorting through boxes of "one-dollar" albums and found a mint copy of the GTOs. Unfortunately the jerk-off who owned the store decided to refuse to sell it to me because he "didn't realize he had it". Uh, yeah, that's what dollar boxes of records in used record stores are for, jackass, finding a gem. I never went back.
Hope he enjoyed his record. He lost a TON of business over it and must have pissed off a lot of collectors because he soon went out of business. The landlord kept his stock in leu of rent and probably sold it en mass at auction.
Bad karma!
So I get a Fanny album as a prize, right???
ha!

So, what is your "point of reference"? I suppose we all "categorize" in our own dividual ways. I started REALLY listening to music at age five. Which would be 1962. So, I initially listened to mostly '50's music then - some '40's I'm sure. And then followed right on through the 60's, 70's and into the early 80's - where I then took somewhat of a "hiatus".

But, during these decades there was soft rock, (pop), hard rock, southern rock, country rock, heavy metal rock, GRUNGE, and then what I refer to as the "Flocking Seagulls" electronic era moving in during the eighties.

From 1970 on things with regards to women rockers radically changed from year to year. Although there were front women rock singers, such as Janis Joplin and Gracie Slick in the 60's... which one was consider bluesy and the other psychedelic...

The band GTO's (to me) was way a head of it's time, but, reminds me of female valley girl music, with a light punk twist. But, if you had Zappa as your buddy and stayed with him... (?) Anything was possible. The band with Kelly Johnson you posted was incredible guitar rock, but you'll notice that in the video she has a "Heart" band t-shirt on. (I think that is what it is.)

Heart was popular from the mid-70's on... until folks had major issues with Ann Wilson's weight. (Marketing, promoting female sexuality.) Which was a fucking shame - with all of that talent. They actually turned to Nancy Wilson "sexually" during this time and they became corporate victims to what they believed in musically. (This they know and state themselves.)

Fanny was from '70 - '75. The "Runnaways were from '75 or so to 1980. Joan Jett broke off from that band and her song "I Love Rock and Roll", wasn't until maybe 1982. Now, folks think she was the first heavy female rocker. She wasn't. Yes, she was the bad "tough ass" here at this time, when in fact others paved the way. (In fact twenty-something record labels at this time for solo Joan even DECLINED to sign HER on... and thus the "Blackheart" label was born because of who she was close to.)

My last trivia question is a woman who was in the early 70's who I believe was an earlier style to Joan... (I cannot speak for Joan, who her immediate mentors were when she was just a teenager or whatever age...) But, the one I am referring to was accepted abroad WAY before she was accepted here. WE were just fucked up here regarding women "rockers". The "feminists" movement was ROUGH here with regards to music and rock. But, this woman finally got some hits here (more later 70's now), and became popular for "another reason"...

Then the "glamour" rock started in the late 70's too and there was already "disco". Although bands like the Stones and such were still around, and Bruce, etc... I did not follow THAT MUSIC through the second half of the '80's much. But, I was living in N.Y.C. then and really caught up just in city life and all that has to offer. (Broadway, obscure performances, street musicians (I LOVED), etc...)

Alternative rock became wide open too during this time. (Not that is wasn't ALWAYS around in some form or another.) Things just were so wide open in the late 80's musically, and now is to this day.
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So, yes... I have "Mother's Pride" album by Fanny. (I think still.) You'll take that over the new hybrid car that you had won...?! OK! No problem!!


WILDCAT!



*P.S. Sorry I got Scorp and you mixed up here in two of my posts. Plus, that BITES you didn't get that historical album for a dollar. (What did you DO? Tell him it was valuable?! Or did he "catch it" when you went to buy it?)

**Plus, just saw today you have a music thread about chair dancing? I want to check that out!

[Cyclopea]

Originally Posted by WILDCAT

So, what is your "point of reference"? I suppose we all "categorize" in our own dividual ways. I started REALLY listening to music at age five. Which would be 1962. So, I initially listened to mostly '50's music then - some '40's I'm sure. And then followed right on through the 60's, 70's and into the early 80's - where I then took somewhat of a "hiatus".
I guess my point of reference for "hard rock" would begin with Sabbath, maybe Zeppelin...

But, during these decades there was soft rock, (pop), hard rock, southern rock, country rock, heavy metal rock, GRUNGE, and then what I refer to as the "Flocking Seagulls" electronic era moving in during the eighties.

From 1970 on things with regards to women rockers radically changed from year to year. Although there were front women rock singers, such as Janis Joplin and Gracie Slick in the 60's... which one was consider bluesy and the other psychedelic...

The band GTO's (to me) was way a head of it's time, but, reminds me of female valley girl music, with a light punk twist. But, if you had Zappa as your buddy and stayed with him... (?) Anything was possible. The band with Kelly Johnson you posted was incredible guitar rock, but you'll notice that in the video she has a "Heart" band t-shirt on. (I think that is what it is.)
Oh, I agree the GTO's were pretty talentless, but they did make a pretty big cultural impact at the time? But they were just Zappa groupies, for sure. Historically significant fluff.

Heart was popular from the mid-70's on... until folks had major issues with Ann Wilson's weight. (Marketing, promoting female sexuality.) Which was a fucking shame - with all of that talent. They actually turned to Nancy Wilson "sexually" during this time and they became corporate victims to what they believed in musically. (This they know and state themselves.)

Fanny was from '70 - '75. The "Runnaways were from '75 or so to 1980. Joan Jett broke off from that band and her song "I Love Rock and Roll", wasn't until maybe 1982. Now, folks think she was the first heavy female rocker. She wasn't. Yes, she was the bad "tough ass" here at this time, when in fact others paved the way. (In fact twenty-something record labels at this time for solo Joan even DECLINED to sign HER on... and thus the "Blackheart" label was born because of who she was close to.)
Girlschool predates the Runaways and was much more successful and well-known, probably in every country but the U.S.
They were serious players, wildly talented and had a long career playing stadiums. The reason Kelly Johnson was wearing a Heart Tshirt was because that video had excerpts from her entire 30 year career. GIRLSCHOOL ROCKS

My last trivia question is a woman who was in the early 70's who I believe was an earlier style to Joan... You don't mean Suzi Quatro do you? (I cannot speak for Joan, who her immediate mentors were when she was just a teenager or whatever age...) But, the one I am referring to was accepted abroad WAY before she was accepted here. WE were just fucked up here regarding women "rockers". So true! The "feminists" movement was ROUGH here with regards to music and rock. But, this woman finally got some hits here (more later 70's now), and became popular for "another reason"...

Then the "glamour" rock started in the late 70's too and there was already "disco". Although bands like the Stones and such were still around, and Bruce, etc... I did not follow THAT MUSIC through the second half of the '80's much. But, I was living in N.Y.C. then and really caught up just in city life and all that has to offer. (Broadway, obscure performances, street musicians (I LOVED), etc...)

Alternative rock became wide open too during this time. (Not that is wasn't ALWAYS around in some form or another.) Things just were so wide open in the late 80's musically, and now is to this day.
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So, yes... I have "Mother's Pride" album by Fanny. (I think still.) You'll take that over the new hybrid car that you had won...?! OK! No problem!!
Ha- I'll sell the car and buy all the albums I want! *insert maniacal laugh smilie*


WILDCAT!



*P.S. Sorry I got Scorp and you mixed up here in two of my posts. Plus, that BITES you didn't get that historical album for a dollar. (What did you DO? Tell him it was valuable?! Or did he "catch it" when you went to buy it?)Lord no, I did not tell him it was a good find, he figured it out...bastid.

**Plus, just saw today you have a music thread about chair dancing? I want to check that out! Enjoy! It's a silly thread of fun (?) nonsense

Sorry it took so long for me to get back to your post I was offline for a few days...have a great evening.

[WILDCAT]

Yeah, there is a fine line in my mind, thinking back now between HARD ROCK and "HEAVY METAL/HARD ROCK".

I felt "at the time" that Black Sabbath and Deep Purple were heavy rock, heavy early metal - due to the heavy bass and lead guitar sounds. Like Iron Man and Smoke on the Water.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f7LwuVF8Oo"]YouTube- Deep Purple - Smoke On The Water w/ lyrics[/ame]

Heavy rock, was Led Zepplin and The Who... also because they did various styles of music as well. (And, like Ted Nudgent "hard" rock, Metallica = HEAVY METAL rock!!) Personal tastes for some, but they were categorized by music critics... having to come up with new descriptions, like "grunge rock".

But, really thinking back now, the first heavy rock for me was Grand Funk Railroad. I didn't consider it then, but heard it "first", before any of the others. I guess I just thought "wow, what the HELL is this music"?! I was really excited. I didn't know what it was called.

Three band members only and I never saw anyone again jam like that until ZZTOP came along later as a three piece gig. (Whole different style there, I know.) Again, everything happened boom, bang - so quick from year to year throughout the 70's.

Here is Grand Funk Railroad in '69!

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x6chChxzV0"]YouTube- Grand Funk Railroad - Inside Looking Out 1969[/ame]

My brother had this album and I fed off of the drummer here first as rocking for myself. I loved their bass sound, very distinct. (I believe later someone here became just Grand Funk - and some bands went into a more commericial for the times sound, ex: Locomotion, We're an American Band by Grand Funk. NOT the same as their early stuff, which disbanded really - from the original sound anyway. They were advanced I believe to start off with.)

I'll have to read up on them more. It's been awhile. To see who went where. Everyone generally went somewhere. It's fascinating to me who is from earlier bands that we didn't know of. Like Graham Nash (of Crosby, Stills, and Nash - and later YOUNG), was really from the early Hollies group, David Crosby was for the Yardbirds: song Turn, Turn, Turn, Stephen Stills from early Buffalo Springfield.

Eric Clapton from Derrick and the Dominoes and Cream, (think I have these right) etc...
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I agree the first all girl band is incredibly significant in the history of music. Just wasn't the rock question, first major label. (But, you knew that one too!) I also agree that GirlSchool rocked more heavily and that Kelly Johnson was ahead of her time women guitarist... more like a VanHalen-isque. I thought that clip was from the mid to late 70's though, for the haircut and Heart t-shirt, (where Heart hit their bomb in mid-70's). So, I would agree with you, probably the first hardest rock all female group.

Fanny just had it's own historical significance. And most don't know of them and somebody had to do it. They were treated like shit at first. And their hits were of the lighter rock, less HEAVY type of songs. That says something, doesn't it?

More to follow!

WILDCAT

*Sorry for typo's and all, up all night again!!

[WILDCAT]

GO GEORGE LOPEZ on "Lopez Tonight"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let me tell you, this night show is LONG overdue. Hey, we grew up with Johnny Carson owning late night TV - and then Dave L. and Jay L. (Goodness.) This new show is so biting and wild, HISTORY IN THE MAKING!!

And I'm always proud and amazed when the "art" community comes together for support. Every top musician, actor/actress, comedian, etc... IS COMPLETELY BACKING THIS SHOW!!

I feel very proud about it. We had Oprah for the daytime - which is so historical, and then that queer Ellen (also daytime), but George is at night. He has more freedom with the TBS channel than a "regular prime DAYtime" network... (and kudos to Turner for this). So he is also using this platform politcally, which I believe is a very necessary need, AND will help everyone all in all to be more tolerant!

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8mZdSq4MTs"]YouTube- lowrider - W.A.R.[/ame]

Anyway, George has used this song as his theme song since opening night - and I think it is PERFECT!!!

The guy "George" too, (I think...?) running the show band, is the man who last worked with Michael Jackson for his show that he unfortunatly did NOT get to do. But, this man had worked with many famous singer/dancers. (I'm thinking J-Lo, etc... but, I could be wrong there.)

I probably shouldn't write things here without factual background, huh? BUT I LOVE GUESSING TO SEE IF I WAS RIGHT - with musical trivia. I am welcome always to stand corrected though! (And it's nice to know if my brain is working right at times!!)

ANYWAY, GO GEORGE!!!!
ROCK ON BRO!!!!!!!!

I'm serious, he is SO GOOD at this... and I'm loving a new "diversity" of audience!!!!!!!!!!! OMGoodness, so long over due!

WILD

*P.S. IMPORTANT: Obama backed George on this show promo and George is HOSTING the annual X-Mas show tonight for the White House. DARN COOL and special that is!!!!!!!! (Be there!!)

[WILDCAT]

I was WAY TOO "ROMANTIC", ahead of my time:

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np5VvHx-1T4"]YouTube- I'M GONNA LOVE YOU, JUST A LITTLE MORE BABY - BARRY WHITE[/nomedia]

*I had this 45 record and played and played it, over and over - I'm so lucky my parents handled me like they did!


*WC

[NotAnAverageGuy]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFHBQ3LMP4Q"]YouTube- mean mean man[/ame]

another Wanda Jackson song, I need to do some more research and see who is the first ever rockabilly female singer...

[WILDCAT]

Beautiful song. And nothing could keep me, keep me from you:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph5iadqH3Eg"]YouTube- Ain't No Mountain High Enough By Diana Ross & The Supremes[/ame]




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No, Phil Collins didn't sing this first!

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZVRwHrCTp8"]YouTube- You Can't Hurry Love - The Supremes RVSD0001[/ame]

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And the 45 record of theirs that I liked drumming to, it was like a "nice, steady, easy, comforting jog"... very soothing and relaxing. (Except I was able to really crank up the bass on this, which is the best part IMO!)

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z47xJhnEOVI"]YouTube- The Supremes: Come See About Me w/ Lyrics[/ame]

WC

[Cyclopea]

Originally Posted by WILDCAT

Yeah, there is a fine line in my mind, thinking back now between HARD ROCK and "HEAVY METAL/HARD ROCK".

I felt "at the time" that Black Sabbath and Deep Purple were heavy rock, heavy early metal - due to the heavy bass and lead guitar sounds. Like Iron Man and Smoke on the Water.oh yeah, deep purple, for sure. always loved their version of "river deep, mountain high".

Heavy rock, was Led Zepplin and The Who... also because they did various styles of music as well. (And, like Ted Nudgent "hard" rock, Metallica = HEAVY METAL rock!!) Personal tastes for some, but they were categorized by music critics... having to come up with new descriptions, like "grunge rock".

But, really thinking back now, the first heavy rock for me was Grand Funk Railroad. I didn't consider it then, but heard it "first", before any of the others. I guess I just thought "wow, what the HELL is this music"?! I was really excited. I didn't know what it was called.
Cool. my first live concert in memory was blood, sweat and tears. and my mind was blown!
Three band members only and I never saw anyone again jam like that until ZZTOP came along later as a three piece gig. (Whole different style there, I know.) Again, everything happened boom, bang - so quick from year to year throughout the 70's.

Here is Grand Funk Railroad in '69!

My brother had this album and I fed off of the drummer here first as rocking for myself. I loved their bass sound, very distinct. (I believe later someone here became just Grand Funk - and some bands went into a more commericial for the times sound, ex: Locomotion, We're an American Band by Grand Funk. NOT the same as their early stuff, which disbanded really - from the original sound anyway. They were advanced I believe to start off with.)

I'll have to read up on them more. It's been awhile. To see who went where. Everyone generally went somewhere. It's fascinating to me who is from earlier bands that we didn't know of. Like Graham Nash (of Crosby, Stills, and Nash - and later YOUNG), was really from the early Hollies group, David Crosby was for the Yardbirds: song Turn, Turn, Turn, Stephen Stills from early Buffalo Springfield.

Eric Clapton from Derrick and the Dominoes and Cream, (think I have these right) etc...
__

I agree the first all girl band is incredibly significant in the history of music. Just wasn't the rock question, first major label. (But, you knew that one too!) I also agree that GirlSchool rocked more heavily and that Kelly Johnson was ahead of her time women guitarist... more like a VanHalen-isque. I thought that clip was from the mid to late 70's though, for the haircut and Heart t-shirt, (where Heart hit their bomb in mid-70's). So, I would agree with you, probably the first hardest rock all female group.

Fanny just had it's own historical significance. And most don't know of them and somebody had to do it. They were treated like shit at first. And their hits were of the lighter rock, less HEAVY type of songs. That says something, doesn't it?They are totally cool and slightly "before my time". So glad you posted about them!

More to follow!
Keep up the good work!

WILDCAT

*Sorry for typo's and all, up all night again!!

and me with no capitals! been in chat too long-lol.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV0xBbVx6i8"]YouTube- Deep Purple River Deep, Mountain High Live Usa 1968[/ame]