Gay Bus - Game... Kill the Homosexuals

[Pixie]

Originally Posted by Organicbutch

A 19 year old kid from the UK made it.

Doesn't surprise me either. I used to hate on gay people too when I was that young.

No offense bro...

But I don't think his age or relativity to surprise gives it any kinda excuse or shoulder shrug....

[Kobi]

That is an incredibly boring and simplistic game.

We have a game in the arcade on this site called Carmegeddon....object....run over as many kids and old ladies with walkers as you can in 90 seconds.

[Julie]

Originally Posted by Kobi

That is an incredibly boring and simplistic game.

We have a game in the arcade on this site called Carmegeddon....object....run over as many kids and old ladies with walkers as you can in 90 seconds.

Kobi...

I think for ME and why it has such an effect (simplistic or not). We are right now at a height (at least awareness) of LGBTQ suicide among our youth.

What message does this simplistic game send? Boring or not - it makes a grave statement.

[Kobi]

Originally Posted by InfiniteFemme

Kobi...

I think for ME and why it has such an effect (simplistic or not). We are right now at a height (at least awareness) of LGBTQ suicide among our youth.

What message does this simplistic game send? Boring or not - it makes a grave statement.

IF,

I am trying to grasp your concern after a very long, tiring day with an empty tummy and swiss cheese for a brain. Perhaps I should revisit this when I am rested and full.

Peace.

[Julie]

Originally Posted by Kobi

IF,

I am trying to grasp your concern after a very long, tiring day with an empty tummy and swiss cheese for a brain. Perhaps I should revisit this when I am rested and full.

Peace.

Kobi - hopefully you will have rested, eaten and prepared a meal of your brain by the time you read.

I am not sure what generation you are (actually should not matter). BUT - I have lived, participated and fought for this community for 30 years - I have seen my friends raped and even murdered based on the fact they were LGBTQ. I was a gay teen and I attempted suicide in 1977. I was 15 years old. I have been raped based on who I am. I can still hear the laughter in their voices.

Today, we are seeing so many of our youth killing themselves - because really as simple as the concept is.

IGNORANCE breeds HATE
Hate KILLS!

[Ebon]

Originally Posted by InfiniteFemme

Kobi - hopefully you will have rested, eaten and prepared a meal of your brain by the time you read.

I am not sure what generation you are (actually should not matter). BUT - I have lived, participated and fought for this community for 30 years - I have seen my friends raped and even murdered based on the fact they were LGBTQ. I was a gay teen and I attempted suicide in 1977. I was 15 years old and a gay teen. I have been raped based on who I am. I can still hear the laughter in their voices.

Today, we are seeing so many of our youth killing themselves - because really as simple as the concept it.

IGNORANCE breeds HATE
Hate KILLS!

I agree with you 100% but I'm more offended at the grown ass man that worked for the school board saying that he's happy the young people that killed themselves did. The kid that made this game is 19 years old, he probably has never even been out of his home town and he's a nerd (I know my own kind) and is probably gay himself he just hasn't realized it yet.

[Julie]

Originally Posted by Organicbutch

I agree with you 100% but I'm more offended at the grown ass man that worked for the school board saying that he's happy the young people that killed themselves did. The kid that made this game is 19 years old, he probably has never even been out of his home town and he's a nerd (I know my own kind) and is probably gay himself he just hasn't realized it yet.

I get it Son! He is probably completely unaware of the ramifications of his game. He is probably a latent homosexual (I love that term) and absolutely a nerd. Could in fact be any one of our children.

Still no excuse, and I would like to kick his ass.

YES - that educator was horrid in his words about our children. And he was taken care of. But what about the message he sent out prior? Same as the message this little twirp is sending out.

[betenoire]

Originally Posted by Organicbutch

I agree with you 100% but I'm more offended at the grown ass man that worked for the school board saying that he's happy the young people that killed themselves did. The kid that made this game is 19 years old, he probably has never even been out of his home town and he's a nerd (I know my own kind) and is probably gay himself he just hasn't realized it yet.

See, that's kind of my thing.

There are always going to be people who hate Queers. There are always going to be people who hate POC. There are always going to be people who hate fat people, French-speakers, people who voted for Nader, people who wear white socks, etc etc etc. It's not going to go away.

And because I know it's not going to go away - I am a "pick your battles" kind of girl. I just think that there are bigger and more harmful haters out there than some sad little virgin living in his mommy's basement. I'll focus on the haters who are in a position to do actual damage. I'd go bald if I was stressed over a game that maybe a couple hundred douchebags on the internet will play.

And when I am not focusing on the bigger badder haters I will try and match Kobi's score in that "running over children and little old ladies" game.

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[Kobi]

Originally Posted by InfiniteFemme

Kobi - hopefully you will have rested, eaten and prepared a meal of your brain by the time you read.

I am not sure what generation you are (actually should not matter). BUT - I have lived, participated and fought for this community for 30 years - I have seen my friends raped and even murdered based on the fact they were LGBTQ. I was a gay teen and I attempted suicide in 1977. I was 15 years old. I have been raped based on who I am. I can still hear the laughter in their voices.

Today, we are seeing so many of our youth killing themselves - because really as simple as the concept is.

IGNORANCE breeds HATE
Hate KILLS!

IF,

I'm going to presume you meant make a meal FOR not OF my brain I did and lets hope my fed brain makes sense.

I am of the same generation as you. Have done the fighting, the paving of the way, breaking down barriers as both a woman and a lesbian. The scars run deep. Then again so do the survival skills.

I understand your concern for the well being of our youth. It is a tragedy for suicide to be the only option one feels they have available to them. And, I agree, the community needs to advocate against those things which breed and accentuate hate in any form.

I am also a realist. I'm not exactly sure where the concept of and manifestations of hatred come from, but I know it is a reality of life. Regardless of who we are and what we stand for, someone somewhere will find something not to like about us. And they will behave in unpleasant ways including developing silly games (btw I agree, he is a geek and he seems latent to me).

Part of our "job" as the more senior and experienced members of a community is to bolster our youth, help them during the difficult time of identity formation, help them learn to negotiate life on their terms as who and what they are, to help them develop and maintain self esteem, pride, acceptance of self.

Another part of our "job" is to teach them the realities of life, picking battles wisely, developing a thicker skin, dealing with the hatred without losing the sense of self as a worthy and worthwhile person. We need to help them learn to survive the hatred they might encounter and thrive in spite of it. And I think it is an invaluable thing to learn.

I'm thinking a game like this is a good educational tool. Take something potentially harmful and turn it into something helpful, a starting place for a discussion which needs to be had with our youth.

This doesnt mean dont write and call and complain. It does mean, in my head, it is a game and like many games for computers and game systems, violence under the guise of entertainment is the norm not the exception. Whether it is running over kids and old ladies in carmegeddon or shooting pigeons in a couple of games, or batting beheaded penguins, war games, dog mutilation - our arcade is not for the faint of heart.

As much as I would like to be there to protect our youth 24/7, it just isnt going to happen. At some point, we have to teach them to take care of themselves and to be ok doing so.

[Julie]

Kobi...

Thank you for your words. I think we just look at it differently on a level which is not so different.

I am not worried about our gay youth seeing it, as much as I am worried about the message that it sends to those who are ignorant and if it fosters the OKAY for some people to bash gays.

While it is just a video, it sends a message.

Even with everything I have seen in my life and everything I have experienced. I am still not thick skinned. I hope I never am. I hope I continue to believe the world is kind and in it are kind people. I choose to wear my rose colored specs - they make everything so much prettier.

I don't want our children thick skinned either. I want them to be able to experience the beauty of life. They should not have to experience the hatred.

Maybe I am still naive in this thinking... (shrugs *literally* my shoulders).

p.s. About your brain. I liked your post and your words -- so I am not going to share with you, what I wanted you to do with your brain earlier (lol).

[Jesse]

I wrote my letters as well.

I am curious though we have this particular game on this site. Old ladies with walkers and little kids are people who matter too.

Jesse

Originally Posted by Kobi

That is an incredibly boring and simplistic game.

We have a game in the arcade on this site called Carmegeddon....object....run over as many kids and old ladies with walkers as you can in 90 seconds.

[MadeMistakes]

I made the game. Sorry, I only just saw this thread. The game has been popping up everywhere recently and it's hard to keep track of! I fully respect what you said both in your Facebook message and on here, the game is bad.

I just wanted to tell you you're not the activists I was talking about, in fact I thought the way you handled this was good. Other people seem to react by telling people my personal info, and talking about how I "want gay people to be killed". This isn't true, I made this game when I was a stupid kid, and I'm trying to get rid of it now.

Sorry for any offence I caused! The game should be down within "24 to 48 hours", after the decision to remove it has been "moderated" by NG staff.

I was paid nothing for the game. This whole thing was just a stupid mistake.

Edit: I was 15 when this was made, and I didn't meant any hate, we were stupid kids messing around. I know that's no excuse, just validating things

[betenoire]

UGH now I feel like a meaniepants bitchface for saying he was a virgin and lived in his mommy's basement.

He's clearly not a terrible person.

But I might be.

[Ebon]

Originally Posted by betenoire

UGH now I feel like a meaniepants bitchface for saying he was a virgin and lived in his mommy's basement.

He's clearly not a terrible person.

But I might be.

Nah I don't think you're a bad person. You didn't try to sue him or shoot him with missiles of justice. Maybe just a BB gun of justice, a talking to was all he needed. You don't approach certain people the same way you would approach a big corporation or politician, especially a 19 year old nerd. My nerd comment still stands because I am one. Mom I was right!! Again!! What is this 2 times in a month? Uh oh I'm in trouble now.

[1PlayfulFemme]

I, too, am impressed...I'm not sure that I would have the..*ahem* balls to have gone to a group of people that I insulted (when I was his age) and apologized openly. I appreciate that effort on his behalf...

(I think it also shows that a lil bit of education and kindness can really change the world..) Just sayin'

[Kobi]

Originally Posted by MadeMistakes

I made the game. Sorry, I only just saw this thread. The game has been popping up everywhere recently and it's hard to keep track of! I fully respect what you said both in your Facebook message and on here, the game is bad.

I just wanted to tell you you're not the activists I was talking about, in fact I thought the way you handled this was good. Other people seem to react by telling people my personal info, and talking about how I "want gay people to be killed". This isn't true, I made this game when I was a stupid kid, and I'm trying to get rid of it now.

Sorry for any offence I caused! The game should be down within "24 to 48 hours", after the decision to remove it has been "moderated" by NG staff.

I was paid nothing for the game. This whole thing was just a stupid mistake.

Edit: I was 15 when this was made, and I didn't meant any hate, we were stupid kids messing around. I know that's no excuse, just validating things

Ok I am duly impressed that you folks made such a profound impact on this young man that he actually came here, made a membership(?), and clarified his intentions. Well done!

[Nat]

Originally Posted by Kobi

Ok I am duly impressed that you folks made such a profound impact on this young man that he actually came here, made a membership(?), and clarified his intentions. Well done!

I think it was because Diva was nice to him and because maybe he's not a monster after all.

[Jess]

Have to say I am impressed also. With a 17 year old gamer boy living under the same roof, I am constantly amazed at the stuff that I hear coming from his room.

Christie and I get opportunity aplenty to have those conversations with him regarding words that hurt/ offend/ trigger. In talking with him, we are both acutely aware that it is part of their generational slang. He is rarely happy to hear that it offends and hurts folks and I believe he sincerely does "catch himself" right afterward sometimes and ponders what he said.

I don't know exactly where kids went from playtime being building forts and seeking grand adventures to killing anything that moves with whatever cache of weaponry they can gather in these video games. That said, I truly suck at video games, but I do enjoy killing the zombies or vampires in some of the games ( that operate with one trigger instead of using both hands..LOL) And I freely admit to going to find the Carmeggedon game Kobi mentioned.. I kinda sucked at that too.

I am not only impressed that the kid came here to apologize but that he was also able to manipulate code and create a game at 15. That's pretty cool. Hopefully, he may go on to do great things, a little more enlightened on his journey.