On Maleness, MaleID/Trans Masculinity, Expectations and Being "Less of a Man"

[Apocalipstic]

Originally Posted by weatherboi

isn't this thread supposed to be about the maleness,male id/trans masculinity, expectations and being "less of a man"???

because what i see going on is the deflection of the real problem when trying to define all this. our community as a majority equates male with how they fuck...that is why it was brought up by Ender in one of the first points of his original post and how it continues to be a factor throughout the rest of it.

i mean it is great that Ender had his aha moment but how many others here(male and female)still feel the way he did and therefore creating the less than factor and perpetuating it???

I hear you and want you to know that how people fuck does not affect me in any way..including how it pertains to gender.

Originally Posted by adorable

I played on the boys lacrosse team in high school. There was a girls team. I chose to play with the boys and where I live - in our illusion of acceptance - they would never tell a girl they couldn't. (Girls have played on the boys HS football team here too.)

I chose to play on the boys team because it was more violent. The girls team didn't allow checking. There was boy on my team who HATED the violence, he was a good player though. The getting beat up thing on the field he didn't go for. He would cry after games and the coach would tell him to stop being a sissy. The other boys picked on him for it...I bet $100 that if he could have played on the girls team without getting his ass kicked for it that he would have liked too.

I went to meetings in the boys locker room just like everyone else. The coach would yell out "girl in the locker room" and they all knew that meant to cover themselves quick. The boys on the team never said anything about me being a girl on the team. They liked me. The coach liked me too because I was rough and played well. The other teams didn't get it and usually had some hot shit to say (only after the game when I took off my helmet and they figured out I was a girl) and we would all end up in fist fights.


With society the way it is - can we really know how many men would like to play on women's teams? We know that women would like to (and in some cases do) play on men's teams. I would personally like to play for the Yankee's. But I don't think we can know that unless it became socially acceptable for men to say so.

You don't live in Tennessee do you? lol.

I played boys soccer and actually wanted to be a boy and often still do/and even think I am in my head....however, I do not know any Men who want to play Women's sports.

and I said I. I did not say society, just I, me. People I know.

There may be tons of guys who do want to play women's sports, but I doubt many of them live in TN.

Is society right? usually not.

Originally Posted by Tranzman

I feel that we ALL simply cannot afford to judge ANYONE, be they male, female, of color, not of color, kink, non-kink WHATEVER they be or we think them to be.

As some point everyone or at least the majority of people are going to have to grasp that we do not get to place our judgments on others. Hell, we judge our our own selves as deeply as we do everyone else, and we wonder why there is so much low self esteem and the likes thereof?

If true and full equality for each of us is ever going to happen, it will have to begin in the mind, then followed through with the actions that make up equality.

Jesse

Maybe that is the thing, we judge ourselves so extremely, we expect other people to?

I think we are pack animals and it is inherent in our genetic makeup to be suspicious of anyone different.

[Jesse]

I see what you are saying Apocalipstic. Just one small correction if I may. It is not inherent in pack animals to be suspicious of anyone different. Rather, that too is learned behavior that comes from being the victim of prey animals, oppressors etc.

Originally Posted by apocalipstic

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Maybe that is the thing, we judge ourselves so extremely, we expect other people to?

I think we are pack animals and it is inherent in our genetic makeup to be suspicious of anyone different.

[Apocalipstic]

Originally Posted by Tranzman

I see what you are saying Apocalipstic. Just one small correction if I may. It is not inherent in pack animals to be suspicious of anyone different. Rather, that too is learned behavior that comes from being the victim of prey animals, oppressors etc.

Either way.