It's Time to Boycott Arizona

[AtLast]

Have to post about this.

Got an email today from my oldest grand daughter who will turn 18 in July. her Mom brought home a voter registration card for her to keep on her dresser until she can fill it out and send it in plus booklets about voting rights, etc.

Haley says she is really excited to be able to vote soon so that she can help get rid of "people like that AZ govenor that hates immigrants. Great Grandpa was an immigrant!"

You GO, Haley!!!

[KatieStar]

Originally Posted by AtLastHome

Have to post about this.

Got an email today from my oldest grand daughter who will turn 18 in July. her Mom brought home a voter registration card for her to keep on her dresser until she can fill it out and send it in plus booklets about voting rights, etc.

Haley says she is really excited to be able to vote soon so that she can help get rid of "people like that AZ govenor that hates immigrants. Great Grandpa was an immigrant!"

You GO, Haley!!!

This made me smile! Thank you for sharing this!

[Nat]

Study: Latinos abandoning Arizona

MEXICO CITY — A new study suggests there may be 100,000 fewer Latinos in Arizona than there were before the debate over the state's tough new immigration law earlier this year.BBVA Bancomer Research, which did the study, worked with figures from the U.S. Current Population Survey. The study says the decline could be due to a new law that would allow police to question the immigration status of those they suspect are in the country illegally, which partly took effect in July. It may also be due to Arizona's difficult economic situation.

The study also cites Mexican government figures as saying 23,380 Mexicans returned from Arizona to Mexico between June and September.

U.S. census figures from 2008 say about 30 percent of people living in Arizona are Latino, or about 1.9 million.

[Nat]

Panelists: Arizona SB 1070 has had profound impact on Native Americans

since the bill became law, racism has become legitimized, and violence against Native peoples "is more blatant than ever." Recently, "tribal members out in the desert chopping wood have been handcuffed and beaten because they didn't have any identification on them," he said. Although the people were on their tribal land, he noted, "somehow the border patrol saw this as a legitimate way to detain people and abuse people violently."

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by Nat

Panelists: Arizona SB 1070 has had profound impact on Native Americans

since the bill became law, racism has become legitimized, and violence against Native peoples "is more blatant than ever." Recently, "tribal members out in the desert chopping wood have been handcuffed and beaten because they didn't have any identification on them," he said. Although the people were on their tribal land, he noted, "somehow the border patrol saw this as a legitimate way to detain people and abuse people violently."

Makes me sick to my stomach. Thia has to be stopped. These are NATIVE Americans!

[asphaltcowboi]

Originally Posted by Nat

Panelists: Arizona SB 1070 has had profound impact on Native Americans

since the bill became law, racism has become legitimized, and violence against Native peoples "is more blatant than ever." Recently, "tribal members out in the desert chopping wood have been handcuffed and beaten because they didn't have any identification on them," he said. Although the people were on their tribal land, he noted, "somehow the border patrol saw this as a legitimate way to detain people and abuse people violently."

is this happening here in az? i live here and watch the news daily.. ive heard of no such thing. i also have many native american friends that well most of them like the seperation of themselfs not being clumped in. i dont care for the law much but there are alot of untruths flying around about it.

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by cody

is this happening here in az? i live here and watch the news daily.. ive heard of no such thing. i also have many native american friends that well most of them like the seperation of themselfs not being clumped in. i dont care for the law much but there are alot of untruths flying around about it.

The article is by Native American spokespeople and stems from a panel of Native Americans as part of a discussion among Native activist leaders. It isn't from a news broadcast depicting one specific news event.

Now, I do remember that Gov. Brewer did take back her initial statements about headless bodies in the desert due to criminal Latino immigrants a couple of months back. That seemed to be a rumor and entirely false. Good she cleared that up.

[asphaltcowboi]

Originally Posted by AtLastHome

The article is by Native American spokespeople and stems from a panel of Native Americans as part of a discussion among Native activist leaders. It isn't from a news broadcast depicting one specific news event.

Now, I do remember that Gov. Brewer did take back her initial statements about headless bodies in the desert due to criminal Latino immigrants a couple of months back. That seemed to be a rumor and entirely false. Good she cleared that up.

yes it is good she cleared that up and im thinking the squeeky wheel is the one thats gets heard an that wheel is only a part of a group of wheels.

[Nat]

From the Economist

After SB1070
Adios Arizona

Lots of people are leaving

Nov 25th 2010

ARIZONA has changed a lot since April, when the state passed a tough new law against illegal immigrants. Known as SB1070, and controversial both because it could lead to discrimination against Latinos and because it usurps a federal prerogative, the law has not fully taken effect, and perhaps never will. A federal judge suspended parts of SB1070 in July, and it is now in an appeals court in San Francisco. But life has changed nonetheless.

In downtown Phoenix, usually a tidy and dull place, neo-Nazi supporters of the law recently confronted pro-immigrant demonstrators, and police had to spray tear gas. There are fewer concerts in the state because hundreds of singers and bands have joined in a boycott, called “The Sound Strike”. Business is also down sharply in the state’s convention industry. The Centre for American Progress, a think-tank based in Washington, DC, reckons Arizona has lost $217m in spending by conference visitors and $388m in economic output from cancellations and booking declines in this and the next two years.

Of course the law has had the biggest effect on immigrants, both legal and illegal, and Latinos generally. Researchers at BBVA Bancomer, a Mexican bank, this month estimated that 100,000 Hispanics, mostly of Mexican descent, have already left Arizona, for Mexico or for other states, because of SB1070. This means a lot of upheaval for families and individuals, and for Arizona’s economy. Ethnic Mexicans, whether native or immigrant, are younger on average than Anglos, reducing the average age of greying Arizona’s population. And immigrants pay more in taxes than they send to Mexico in remittances. Above all, they tend to have jobs—on construction sites, in hotels and homes—that do not replace but complement American jobs, according to BBVA Bancomer. A permanent decline in the immigrant population could thus destroy many more jobs than just those of the immigrants.

But Arizonans seem to regard these costs as acceptable, given that most of them continue to support SB1070. This month they re-elected Jan Brewer, the Republican governor who signed the law and was known for little else. Russell Pearce, the author of SB1070, has been chosen as the next president of the state Senate. He wants to follow up with more in the same vein.

[asphaltcowboi]

gawd i dont like this thread... az is my home and i love it.. i dont always like what the gov. does here.. but there is so much more to this state that i will not boycot.. also there are still alot of unthuths about this..

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by cody

gawd i dont like this thread... az is my home and i love it.. i dont always like what the gov. does here.. but there is so much more to this state that i will not boycot.. also there are still alot of unthuths about this..

Hey Cody, I am a bit confused about your statement. Do you feel the things we posted are untruths?

[asphaltcowboi]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

Hey Cody, I am a bit confused about your statement. Do you feel the things we posted are untruths?

no i think some of the media has cause some untruths to be stated and repeated as truth..

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by cody

no i think some of the media has cause some untruths to be stated and repeated as truth..

Really cause your Governor was very clear about what she was lying about. Do you mean her lies about mexicans and how we are running around cutting heads off and leaving them in Arizona deserts?

Or this lie?

I am trying to understand what you mean by untruths. Or are you saying your government in that state is full of lying, hateful, racist jerks.

Thank you for the dialogue

[Julie]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

Really cause your Governor was very clear about what she was lying about. Do you mean her lies about mexicans and how we are running around cutting heads off and leaving them in Arizona deserts?

Or this lie?

I am trying to understand what you mean by untruths. Or are you saying your government in that state is full of lying, hateful, racist jerks.

Thank you for the dialogue

Propaganda... 2010 Propaganda (above )
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I am pretty blown away that this billboard which Snow post, is legal. I am shocked. I read the article, and I am really hoping what I have read is true about the decline of tourism, etc in Arizona - that Arizona is losing money. I hope and I am sorry Cody - that Arizona collapses.

P.S.... Propaganda Kills... Just ask the survivors of any country who have experienced Racial Cleansing. Remember Rwanda?

[asphaltcowboi]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

Really cause your Governor was very clear about what she was lying about. Do you mean her lies about mexicans and how we are running around cutting heads off and leaving them in Arizona deserts?

Or this lie?

I am trying to understand what you mean by untruths. Or are you saying your government in that state is full of lying, hateful, racist jerks.

Thank you for the dialogue

yes our government here is messed up.. lack of eductation yes.. i am saying alot of the stories have been blown way out of perportion then discribed in the media as such.. and yes there are many horiable truths also..
az is not as bad as alot precieve it to be and alot of the same things happen in the other "boarder states" .. not just az..
i am not a hater by anymeans.. but if you want to come to the states from canada,russia mexico or anywhere else please take the legal steps to do so..
i am aware its difficult for latinos here when they are pulled over out of random because they have the "look" at the same time i feel we need to get a grip on the influx of people blue eyed or brown eyed that come here esp. to suthern az. we are already a "broke" state and have no way to tax illeagles for servces rendered .. medical.. housing..ect..
as a whole this is an awsome state there would be no reason for the words boycot az if so many people didnt love it here and want to live here. its is painful when i see the words boycot az. yes we need help with many issues as do may states.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by cody

yes our government here is messed up.. lack of eductation yes.. i am saying alot of the stories have been blown way out of perportion then discribed in the media as such.. and yes there are many horiable truths also..
az is not as bad as alot precieve it to be and alot of the same things happen in the other "boarder states" .. not just az..
i am not a hater by anymeans.. but if you want to come to the states from canada,russia mexico or anywhere else please take the legal steps to do so..
i am aware its difficult for latinos here when they are pulled over out of random because they have the "look" at the same time i feel we need to get a grip on the influx of people blue eyed or brown eyed that come here esp. to suthern az. we are already a "broke" state and have no way to tax illeagles for servces rendered .. medical.. housing..ect..
as a whole this is an awsome state there would be no reason for the words boycot az if so many people didnt love it here and want to live here. its is painful when i see the words boycot az. yes we need help with many issues as do may states.

Do you realize the Governor of your state tried to pass a law that started racial profiling??

Have you really read the whole thread?

Do you think your state is broke cause of all the undocumented (not illegal) people in it? Could it be cause we had W as a president for 8 years???

Do you really think they are gonna pull you over and ask for verification of your race? What is the look??

Cause lemme tell you Cody Az is full of "that look" you have Native Americans, Chicanos who have been there longer than most of the white people there who will be harrased and tagged as having "that look" and they will be pulled over WAYYYYYYYYYYY before a Canadian, Chinese, or Russian undocumented worker.

I am gonna be honest I am a tiny bit offended by your term "that look" what does that mean?

What "look" does one have when one is of Latino Heritage?

Your Governor is a racist pig who tried to pass a law that would of made racial profiling legal.

If you can't see how gross that is then that is because your white skin allows you to have the safety of having that never happen.

[Queerasfck]

Originally Posted by cody

i am aware its difficult for latinos here when they are pulled over out of random because they have the "look" at the same time i feel we need to get a grip on the influx of people blue eyed or brown eyed that come here esp. to suthern az. we are already a "broke" state and have no way to tax illeagles for servces rendered .. medical.. housing..ect..
as a whole this is an awsome state there would be no reason for the words boycot az if so many people didnt love it here and want to live here. its is painful when i see the words boycot az. yes we need help with many issues as do may states.

Interesting that you use the word difficult to describe getting pulled over. Wouldn't you say that difficult is a huge understatement?? If you got pulled over by the police because you had blue eyes would you say that's difficult?? I wouldn't. I'd say that's racial profiling. I am at a loss every time I read some of the things in this thread.

I've lived in Arizona so I saw how it was.

[asphaltcowboi]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

Do you realize the Governor of your state tried to pass a law that started racial profiling??

Have you really read the whole thread?

Do you think your state is broke cause of all the undocumented (not illegal) people in it? Could it be cause we had W as a president for 8 years???

Do you really think they are gonna pull you over and ask for verification of your race? What is the look??

Cause lemme tell you Cody Az is full of "that look" you have Native Americans, Chicanos who have been there longer than most of the white people there who will be harrased and tagged as having "that look" and they will be pulled over WAYYYYYYYYYYY before a Canadian, Chinese, or Russian undocumented worker.

I am gonna be honest I am a tiny bit offended by your term "that look" what does that mean?

What "look" does one have when one is of Latino Heritage?

Your Governor is a racist pig who tried to pass a law that would of made racial profiling legal.

If you can't see how gross that is then that is because your white skin allows you to have the safety of having that never happen.

i know all this first hand... and all i can say is "think" and "say" what you will i love my state and always will...
i will never be able to get my point across az is beautiful an i will not take other opinoins as personal but treat them as i do our local government.. shrug my shoulder and walk out wishing there werent so many haters in the world.

[Julie]

I conducted a number of years ago tolerance workshops for Jews. Surprising to me, because a number of these Jews survived the Holocaust. Some showed me their numbers tatoo'd on their arms. The room was filled with Racists.

As a Jew it gave me permission to speak to them differently. I reminded them, that in this country they were safe for the most part. They were European Jews, many with blonde hair and blue eyes - many with black afros and brown eyes. Yet, clearly white european. Interestingly enough - They took offense at being called white. I understand this, I take offense, even though I am white of skin - Genetically I am not, as most Jew are not.

We discussed what it was like to watch their villages burned. We discussed what it it like for a POC in this country to watch their family and friends being beaten down and yes, even 10 years ago racially profiled.

I pass with my fair skin and green eyes. I have been around hateful people in social settings. I have been spoken to, as if I would understand... "Hitler had it right when he gassed them." I have heard worse. Because I pass. Sometimes, I am tired of passing for a non-jew - even though, I am ashamed and often embarrassed by my people and their ignorance.

Ignorance and Propaganda does indeed kill. Everyday in the world, people are still experiencing Ethnic Cleansing. I hear about this daily through my work. I get emails begging for help. I cannot help these people. There is nothing I can do. Except pray for them. Hope the work I do changes our future adults.

What's happening in Arizona is no different than what happened in the Ghetto's. It starts with Propaganda and a government which supports Racial Profiling. Do not think for a moment it cannot happen again. Do not think for a moment, we in this country will not do this.

LOOK AT WHAT WE DID in Afghanistan to the prisoners of war.

I will always go back to this. WE are better than THAT!

We are BETTER THAN THAT!
Aren't we?

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by cody

i know all this first hand... and all i can say is "think" and "say" what you will i love my state and always will...
i will never be able to get my point across az is beautiful an i will not take other opinoins as personal but treat them as i do our local government.. shrug my shoulder and walk out wishing there werent so many haters in the world.

You can accuse me of being a hater all you want. It's fact, the people that were elected to run your beautiful racist state are and would pass racial profiling laws if you let them. A LOT of people (whites) backed this decision because "people with that look" were taking over their jobs, their women, their lands blah blah blah.

No one is telling you not to love the racist state you live in, you can love it and support it all you want, as I said your white skin gives you that security and freedom to do so. What I will never grasp is how a queer a part of the minority can shrug their shoulder off to the racial bullshit in the very place they live...