It's Time to Boycott Arizona

weatherboi · 11-28-2010, 09:17 PM

i boycotted Colorado to the best of my ability back when amendment 2 was presented. for a person that enjoys what Colorado has to offer winter and summer i frequented the state during vacation time. i am sure there are many people here that remember that boycott that the gay community organized back then and i also can remember people in our community moving from there. the gay bashing was out of hand and it was all over the news. do ya'll remember that???

i will boycott Arizona to the best of my ability.

as far as trying to compare the Ohio Easton area take over to the legislation that was created by the citizens and lawmakers of Arizona it really doesn't seem logical. it feels reachy.

i am never a fan of the "pile up" accusations. it seems to me if someone boasts an unpopular opinion then they should be able to deal with others coming in here and stating what they think about it without judgment from the poster or the posters supporters.

katsarecool · 11-28-2010, 09:58 PM

I have read this entire thread and have to say something further as a person who hasn't really participated in it much. I see way more similarities in posts from the "opposing" sides than differences here. I see many of you posting the same ideals and concerns; just wording them differently. I have not read anywhere by anyone that they support SB 1070.

Immigration is such a hot button issue especially in the last few years or so. Well if one looks back through history this is not the first time it has come up and become heated. It does seem to come up more often in times when a country is economic distress. It doesn't help that the Republican party has stoked the fires of fear, hatred, resentment, myths and down right lies concerning our neighbors to the South.

Perhaps the laws that are presently on the books are faulty and do need reform. But there was never a need for the mean-spirited SB1070!!! Or people in office like Jan Brewer and that nasty sheriff!!! I think that the laws that are on the books should be enforced and obeyed by employers. I agree that unless someone has a legal right to work in this country (green card) then they should not be allowed to do so. But on the other hand our laws need to be more inclusive of people who are not of White European ancestry. Because clearly they are not as they stand presently.

I think that every person who has ever stepped foot on this continent came here because they wanted a better way of life for themselves and their families. And while there are many aspects of our history here in the US that I am not proud of; emigrants from all over the world have made our country what it is today. Strong, powerful, empathetic and compassionate.

Julie · 11-28-2010, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by katsarecool

I agree that unless someone has a legal right to work in this country (green card) then they should not be allowed to do so. But on the other hand our laws need to be more inclusive of people who are not of White European ancestry. Because clearly they are not as they stand presently.

Have you ever attempted to apply for a Green Card? This country does not welcome immigrants. In order to get the Green Card, you either have to marry or you have to pay off some rich attorney.

This country does not welcome immigrants. Not even those immigrants who served in the military as one of our allies.

Quote from Immigration Equality:

"Under current U.S. immigration laws, lesbian and gay Americans do not have the right to sponsor their foreign national partners for residency, as their straight neighbors do. Instead, immigration laws force these couples — about 17,000 of whom are raising young children who are American citizens — to separate or leave the country, forced into exile because their families are not recognized under federal law. This painful reality is forcing many American citizens, and their families, to flee their own country, exacting a heavy cost on our economy, communities and on the countless people who constitute their extended families, too."

There are 19 countries which allow for this. Yet the USA does not. Ireland is coming up, so make that 20.

http://www.immigrationequality.org

Now... Let's imagine a poor Mexican person living in a remote part of his/her country and all they want to do is provide a safe place for their family. I lived in mexico as a child and saw the poverty and disease because of poor living conditions and poor health care.

I will always believe in opening our borders. It is what this country was based on. Statue of Liberty still stand today...

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

Have we forgotten?

katsarecool · 11-28-2010, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by InfiniteFemme

Have you ever attempted to apply for a Green Card? This country does not welcome immigrants. In order to get the Green Card, you either have to marry or you have to pay off some rich attorney.

This country does not welcome immigrants. Not even those immigrants who served in the military as one of our allies.

Quote from Immigration Equality:

"Under current U.S. immigration laws, lesbian and gay Americans do not have the right to sponsor their foreign national partners for residency, as their straight neighbors do. Instead, immigration laws force these couples — about 17,000 of whom are raising young children who are American citizens — to separate or leave the country, forced into exile because their families are not recognized under federal law. This painful reality is forcing many American citizens, and their families, to flee their own country, exacting a heavy cost on our economy, communities and on the countless people who constitute their extended families, too."

There are 19 countries which allow for this. Yet the USA does not. Ireland is coming up, so make that 20.

http://www.immigrationequality.org

Now... Let's imagine a poor Mexican person living in a remote part of his/her country and all they want to do is provide a safe place for their family. I lived in mexico as a child and saw the poverty and disease because of poor living conditions and poor health care.

I will always believe in opening our borders. It is what this country was based on. Statue of Liberty still stand today...

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

Have we forgotten?

I have been through the process with my ex husband and know how tough it can be. I did say in my post that I thought the present laws needed to be more fair to coming here from countries other than White European. And it does need to be more fair!! I am not sure how this can be done but something needs to be done.

As much as I see flaws in this country I also believe most people here aptly fill my description of strong, empathetic and compassionate. I stand by those words.

Soon · 11-28-2010, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by katsarecool

I have been through the process with my ex husband and know how tough it can be. I did say in my post that I thought the present laws needed to be more fair to coming here from countries other than White European. And it does need to be more fair!! I am not sure how this can be done but something needs to be done.

As much as I see flaws in this country I also believe most people here aptly fill my description of strong, empathetic and compassionate. I stand by those words.

Well, now you are referring to citizens of your country as empathetic and compassionate and not the country itself which is a much different sentiment than in your previous post, #866.

As for going through the process with your ex-husband of USA immigration, at least you were allowed the process.

I am denied the ability to immigrate, work and live with my husband--in the USA--based on the unjust laws of your country.

katsarecool · 11-28-2010, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by HowSoonIsNow

Well, now you are referring to citizens of your country as empathetic and compassionate and not the country itself which is a much different sentiment than in your previous post, #866.

As for going through the process with your ex-husband of USA immigration, at least you were allowed the process.

I am denied the ability to immigrate, work and live with my husband based on the unjust laws of your country.

I am sorry that you are not able to come here to live your life with your partner. And I do hope that will be possible in the future. I do believe once Same Sex marriage is recognized and legalized in this country immigration will be possible for millions. Rightly so.

As far as your first paragraph I am not seeing what you are seeing.

My ex husband was from Colombia, and believe me getting a green card for someone from that country was not an easy matter. Or pleasant either.

Soon · 11-28-2010, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by katsarecool

I am sorry that you are not able to come here to live your life with your partner. And I do hope that will be possible in the future. I do believe once Same Sex marriage is recognized and legalized in this country immigration will be possible for millions. Rightly so.

As far as your first paragraph I am not seeing what you are seeing.

My ex husband was from Colombia, and believe me getting a green card for someone from that country was not an easy matter. Or pleasant either.

He's my husband, not partner.

Whether or not it was easy, you had the right to sponsor your ex for immigration. My husband does not have that same right.

As for the "empathetic and compassionate" -- your earlier post posited that the USA -- as a country -- is characterized by these qualities--your next post said the people have these characteristices--that is quite a difference and makes me wonder what qualities of the USA actually DO demonstrate these traits when the opposite appears to be true in so many of its policies!

I hope this clarified my earlier response.

Soon · 11-28-2010, 10:22 PM

Kats,

Is it Americans who believe that their country is "empathetic and compassionate" (your last sentence in post 866)?

I have to say that, as a Canadian, those are two descriptors that no one I know would ever attach to the USA.

Many people around the world are enraged at the LACK of empathy and compassion demonstrated by some USA policies and laws -- especially when it comes to immigration, war, poverty, social issues, and equality in general.

11-28-2010, 09:58 PM	#2
katsarecool Member How Do You Identify?: Femme Preferred Pronoun?: She, Her, Woman Relationship Status: Single Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Between Athens and Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 1,236 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 3,849 Thanked 1,765 Times in 734 Posts Rep Power: 323366	I have read this entire thread and have to say something further as a person who hasn't really participated in it much. I see way more similarities in posts from the "opposing" sides than differences here. I see many of you posting the same ideals and concerns; just wording them differently. I have not read anywhere by anyone that they support SB 1070. Immigration is such a hot button issue especially in the last few years or so. Well if one looks back through history this is not the first time it has come up and become heated. It does seem to come up more often in times when a country is economic distress. It doesn't help that the Republican party has stoked the fires of fear, hatred, resentment, myths and down right lies concerning our neighbors to the South. Perhaps the laws that are presently on the books are faulty and do need reform. But there was never a need for the mean-spirited SB1070!!! Or people in office like Jan Brewer and that nasty sheriff!!! I think that the laws that are on the books should be enforced and obeyed by employers. I agree that unless someone has a legal right to work in this country (green card) then they should not be allowed to do so. But on the other hand our laws need to be more inclusive of people who are not of White European ancestry. Because clearly they are not as they stand presently. I think that every person who has ever stepped foot on this continent came here because they wanted a better way of life for themselves and their families. And while there are many aspects of our history here in the US that I am not proud of; emigrants from all over the world have made our country what it is today. Strong, powerful, empathetic and compassionate. __________________

11-28-2010, 09:17 PM	#1
weatherboi Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: Owned boy Preferred Pronoun?: Hey boy!!! Relationship Status: counting freckles slowly under Her direction!!! Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: i have 2 sets of geographic coordinates!!! Posts: 6,097 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 26,797 Thanked 12,549 Times in 2,993 Posts Rep Power: 21474858	i boycotted Colorado to the best of my ability back when amendment 2 was presented. for a person that enjoys what Colorado has to offer winter and summer i frequented the state during vacation time. i am sure there are many people here that remember that boycott that the gay community organized back then and i also can remember people in our community moving from there. the gay bashing was out of hand and it was all over the news. do ya'll remember that??? i will boycott Arizona to the best of my ability. as far as trying to compare the Ohio Easton area take over to the legislation that was created by the citizens and lawmakers of Arizona it really doesn't seem logical. it feels reachy. i am never a fan of the "pile up" accusations. it seems to me if someone boasts an unpopular opinion then they should be able to deal with others coming in here and stating what they think about it without judgment from the poster or the posters supporters.

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Soon Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: femme Relationship Status: attached Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: . Posts: 6,896 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 29,046 Thanked 13,094 Times in 3,386 Posts Rep Power: 21474858	Kats, Is it Americans who believe that their country is "empathetic and compassionate" (your last sentence in post 866)? I have to say that, as a Canadian, those are two descriptors that no one I know would ever attach to the USA. Many people around the world are enraged at the LACK of empathy and compassion demonstrated by some USA policies and laws -- especially when it comes to immigration, war, poverty, social issues, and equality in general.