It's Time to Boycott Arizona

[QueenofSmirks]

Originally Posted by dreadgeek

... The law is in force, you are feeling the full effect of the law, do you think it helps to know that your neighbor doesn't support it?

Cheers
Aj

No, I don't think it helps to know my neighbor doesn't support it. But I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about the assumption by some that somehow we (AZ residents) should claim the hatred and discrimination in this state just because we live here. I don't think that helps either.

[Nat]

Originally Posted by QueenofSmirks

No, I don't think it helps to know my neighbor doesn't support it. But I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about the assumption by some that somehow we (AZ residents) should claim the hatred and discrimination in this state just because we live here. I don't think that helps either.

Somebody said you should *claim* hatred and discrimination in your state? I don't understand.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by QueenofSmirks

No, I don't think it helps to know my neighbor doesn't support it. But I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about the assumption by some that somehow we (AZ residents) should claim the hatred and discrimination in this state just because we live here. I don't think that helps either.

Denying that it IS happening around is claiming it. How can you NOT know what is happening in a State that wanted to enforce racial profiling.

How does one not take a stand?? Does privilege allow this?

I am confused how one can not care or is it the "eh, it's not me they are targeting so.. Whatever"

[QueenofSmirks]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

Denying that it IS happening around is claiming it. How can you NOT know what is happening in a State that wanted to enforce racial profiling.

How does one not take a stand?? Does privilege allow this?

I am confused how one can not care or is it the "eh, it's not me they are targeting so.. Whatever"

Well, I don't know who your comments are referring to... it certainly isn't me! And since none of what you said describes me, I really can't answer.

[The_Lady_Snow]

I'm going to bed totes!

[Nat]

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[Nat]

Originally Posted by QueenofSmirks

I was talking about the assumption by some that somehow we (AZ residents) should claim the hatred and discrimination in this state just because we live here. I don't think that helps either.

Hi again.

This sentence doesn't make a lot of sense to me because I don't know what you mean by the word, "claim." Without further information, Snowy's interpretation was the closest to how I read your words too - which is why I asked for clarification.

Perhaps you could pick the sentence below that is most similar to your meaning - or clarify in your own words? I would really appreciate it.

A. Some people think Arizona residents should embrace hatred and discrimination just because they live in Arizona, and I disagree.

B. Some people think Arizona residents should acknowledge that hatred and discrimination exist in Arizona, and I don't think Arizona residents should be expected to do so.

C. Some people think Arizona residents should stop denying that hatred and discrimination exist in Arizona, but I disagree.

D. Some people think all Arizona residents are in support of racism and discrimination, and that's not true.

E. _____________________________________

[DomnNC]

I could be wrong but my interpretation of what QoS is saying is:

That a lot of people are assuming that ALL people that live in Arizona surely must be haters, discriminators and in favor of the racial profiling when that's not true. She doesn't believe just because she lives there that she should take on the responsibility of blame in how other people who live there choose to believe and what they are in favor of.

She's saying she's not in favor of it.

I could be totally wrong, lol, wouldn't be the first time.

[Nat]

Originally Posted by DomnNC

I could be wrong but my interpretation of what QoS is saying is:

That a lot of people are assuming that ALL people that live in Arizona surely must be haters, discriminators and in favor of the racial profiling when that's not true. She doesn't believe just because she lives there that she should take on the responsibility of blame in how other people who live there choose to believe and what they are in favor of.

She's saying she's not in favor of it.

I could be totally wrong, lol, wouldn't be the first time.

If that's what she's saying, I don't know where she's getting that from. Did somebody in this thread say ALL people that live in Arizona surely must be haters?

[DomnNC]

Laughs, too late for me ... perhaps I should have said that some believe ALL Arizona residents (regardless if that is how you believe/support or not) should assume the responsibility of blame for the haters, discriminators and racial profiling. She's not responsible for the blame of say her neighbor if he's a hater, discriminator or in favor of racial profiling just because she lives there as well. She's not one of them (just because she lives there) nor will she carry the burden of blame for their beliefs/actions.

Sorry, I even reread that last one.

[katsarecool]

And some people just do not watch the news or keep up with current events either. So it is entirely possible to not have a clue about what is happening in AZ. I do not fault anyone for not keeping up with the news. They have their own reasons. One of my children cannot bear to watch the news and does not keep up on current events. She says the news triggers some fears inside from childhood; all the sad and tragic news. This does not mean that she does not care about people who are hurt and harmed at all though because she does. She has a lot on her own plate with a large family (three teenage girls, two sons one with special needs), job situations for her and her husband along with financial woes as well. I get that. Not happy about it but it is her choice.

[MsDemeanor]

Then there are the AZ Death Panels. Yes, Sarah P., they do exist, and they are headed by heartless, soulless, all that matters is money and fuck the human consequences Republicans.

AZ recently cut funding for certain types of transplants. 98 people in the state are affected by this policy change, plus the state lost millions in Medicare matching dollars as a result of this decision. The numbers that I have are $5M cut for transplants resulted in $15M lost in matching funds, but I haven't had time to verify the information. Keith Olbermann highlighted two families affected by this, including one man who was being prepped for the transplant operation when he was told the the funding for his surgery had been pulled.

Now, someone has died. linkyloo Brewer refuses to call a special legislative session to deal with the matter.

[MsDemeanor]

Originally Posted by katsarecool

And some people just do not watch the news or keep up with current events either. So it is entirely possible to not have a clue about what is happening in AZ.

As long as they don't vote, that's fine. I have a serious beef with low-information voters.

[katsarecool]

Originally Posted by MsDemeanor

As long as they don't vote, that's fine. I have a serious beef with low-information voters.

So do I. Having learned from the eight years of the Bush Adm. and grinding my teeth on that very issue.

[QueenofSmirks]

Originally Posted by DomnNC

I could be wrong but my interpretation of what QoS is saying is:

That a lot of people are assuming that ALL people that live in Arizona surely must be haters, discriminators and in favor of the racial profiling when that's not true. She doesn't believe just because she lives there that she should take on the responsibility of blame in how other people who live there choose to believe and what they are in favor of.

She's saying she's not in favor of it.

I could be totally wrong, lol, wouldn't be the first time.

Thank you, your interpretation is spot on! (Both of them! LOL)

Not only are we assumed to be haters, but we are also apparently to blame because we choose to live here, and how dare we be a part of this hatred while living a life of luxury, ignoring what's going on around us and basically just being all around despicable human beings, we should be ashamed of ourselves. Apparently because I'm not in favor of a boycott, (because I believe it will do more harm overall, not because I would somehow be negatively affected by it), that makes me one of "them".
Weird.

[betenoire]

Originally Posted by Nat

If that's what she's saying, I don't know where she's getting that from. Did somebody in this thread say ALL people that live in Arizona surely must be haters?

No, nobody in the thread said that.

However - the majority of the people that live in Arizona must be. The evidence of this is easy enough to find, that awful Brewer woman got elected this November (evidence 1) and public opinion polls show that the majority of Arizona residents are in favour of her shitty bill (evidence 2).

So while OBVIOUSLY the people responding to this thread DO GET that not every single person who lives in AZ is a racist douchebag - the fact remains that THE STATE of Arizona (the State being Arizona's politicians, policies, police force, people in charge and popular vote) IS indeed racist. That is the name that Arizona has made for itself.

It's like when I say "America is a bully". I obviously don't think that Nat, Aj, Snow, or my American spouse are bullies - but I DO think that America (her military reach, her foreign policy, her talking heads, her most vocal voters) IS a bully. That is the place that she's carved out for herself in the world.

[QueenofSmirks]

Originally Posted by katsarecool

And some people just do not watch the news or keep up with current events either. So it is entirely possible to not have a clue about what is happening in AZ. I do not fault anyone for not keeping up with the news. They have their own reasons. One of my children cannot bear to watch the news and does not keep up on current events. She says the news triggers some fears inside from childhood; all the sad and tragic news. This does not mean that she does not care about people who are hurt and harmed at all though because she does. She has a lot on her own plate with a large family (three teenage girls, two sons one with special needs), job situations for her and her husband along with financial woes as well. I get that. Not happy about it but it is her choice.

You took the words right out of my mouth, so to speak. This was actually almost exactly what I intended on coming here to say, but I got derailed by my own earlier posts LOL

[QueenofSmirks]

Originally Posted by betenoire

No, nobody in the thread said that.

However - the majority of the people that live in Arizona must be. The evidence of this is easy enough to find, that awful Brewer woman got elected this November (evidence 1) and public opinion polls show that the majority of Arizona residents are in favour of her shitty bill (evidence 2).

Actually, that only proves that the majority of people who VOTED are in favor of her and her b.s. And opinion polls -- please. They only accurately reflect the people who ANSWER them, not the population as a whole.

[betenoire]

Originally Posted by QueenofSmirks

Actually, that only proves that the majority of people who VOTED are in favor of her and her b.s. And opinion polls -- please. They only accurately reflect the people who ANSWER them, not the population as a whole.

People who do not vote are complacent and deserve everything that they get.

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