It's Time to Boycott Arizona

[dreadgeek]

Originally Posted by DomnNC

Laughs, I was just pointing out that ALL countries engage in racial profiling. Is that such a hard concept to grasp? It has nothing to do with babies in Denmark for crying outloud.

Sigh, do I have to walk you through this? Really?

One more time:

And why is Canada any better? I just read an article where blacks are 3 times more prone to being pulled over as a result of racial profiling as the aborgines are. There is NO country that is immune to racial profiling.

Your argument is flawed because one can make a comparison between the social circumstances of any given number of nations--in this specific instance the United States and Canada--without making any *absolute* statement about those conditions. In other words, saying that racial profiling happens in the USA does NOT make any kind of statement about whether or not racial profiling happens in other countries. What's more, even if someone had said that racial profiling is MORE common in the United States than it is in Canada that does NOT change the statement to mean that racial profiling happens in the former but not the latter. It is merely to state that if, say, 1 in every thousand black Canadians is stopped for driving while black while 5 in every 1000 black Americans is stopped for the same thing that racial profiling is more common in the USA than it is in Canada.

Taking the words I quoted above to mean precisely what they appear to mean, you seem to believe that if I say X happens more in Oregon than it does in New York I am saying that X ONLY happens in New York. That is the argument I am making.

So, what do the relative fates of babies in Oregon and Denmark have to do with it? It's called an argument by analogy. What I was trying to get across and which you completely failed to grasp although I thought I'd made it clear was this:

One can make a comparison between any two nations without making ANY absolute statement about whether some phenomena occurs in some nation. So I can point out that a baby in Denmark will, on average, live longer than a baby born the same day in Oregon without being committed to the idea that because the baby born in Denmark will live longer it means that the baby in Oregon is already dead.

The logic you are deploying in the statement quoted above is that to say that the average lifespan of a Danish baby is longer than an American baby is to say that all babies in America are stillborn. I was pointing out, by way of analogy, that your logic is flawed. I'm absolutely mystified that you seemed to think that some point was being made about Danish babies.

I will freely admit that I am no Shakespeare but I think I'm a pretty decent writer and can make myself generally well understood so how you could miss the point I was making and think that somehow I was arguing something critical about Danish babies is beyond my comprehension.

Cheers
Aj

[dreadgeek]

Originally Posted by Corkey

I might make an observation here, homeless people don't vote, they can't they must have an address.

Corkey:

Thank you! I was thinking that was the case. I know that's the case in Oregon because we are vote-by-mail only so you have to have a place you can receive mail in order to vote.

Cheers
Aj

[asphaltcowboi]

i have ban myself from porting in this thread.. my statements were not made clear enough for several and my abilty of speach does dont comepete.. please refain from using my name on this thread or assuming what i am or may /may not have or know. i do not know you nor you me.
thanks
cody

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

There are NO green, purple, or pink people targeted by this heinous law.

I as a traveler in Az had to lie (left my purse in SD) about my status in this country. I used my tricks and made myself look white.

I get offend with good right when white folk describe POC with terms such as "that look"


If you are deflecting for Cody by saying he can't afford the TV he clearly haz interwebs! He could of read ALL THE FACTS posted in this thread


How one can live in denial I can't understand, wait I
can. White skin gives one privileges I'll never get

True story

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by cody

i have ban myself from porting in this thread.. my statements were not made clear enough for several and my abilty of speach does dont comepete.. please refain from using my name on this thread or assuming what i am or may /may not have or know. i do not know you nor you me.
thanks
cody

Um look Cody, why not call out DNC for using your name in his post? Hence my reply using your name.

As far as your "unclear" statements, this is what is odd to me, white folks can use the most colorful descriptors when it comes to POC and then brush it off as "we" misconstrued such adjectives.

So with that said, I did not assume, YOU chose to use "that look" I stand by it was not the best choice of adjectives to describe us, why? Cause it is fucking offensive, just as offensive as "wet back" "beaners" and my favorite everyone still uses no matter how many times we asked you don't

ILLEGAL.

I am not illegal, I did not come from another planet here I came from a land where MY ancestors ( I have direct bloodlines to Pancho Villa AND can prove it) roamed freely.

So please don't wag your finger at me for your name use, at least I did not use an offensive descriptor.

Thanks

[DomnNC]

And again, I was speaking mainly of the posts that were spewing forth the venom of ignorant voters, lumping people into groups, when NONE of us have any idea of their current circumstances, which I do believe I have said more than once which can't quite seem to seep into some people's brains!

Good for you that you were able to keep your computer and internet access while unemployed, some people can't, for some people that's the first thing that goes because it's NOT a necessity in order to live or to put food on their table, or keep a roof over their kids heads. They can check out classifieds thru their local paper or word of mouth if need be.

Lastly, you don't know me so don't presume to accuse me of anything, goal post moving indeed. I'm just speaking up about people who seem to think they are so much better than others because they have an education and choose to be more politically aware than others. I don't go for blanket statements or putting a group of people down because they don't choose to participate in something. Not everyone is an activist and that's OK. You seem to think that those who don't choose to be an activist are less than you or anyone else who chooses to be so. If you don't think that way then perhaps you should read back over some of your postings because it sure does come off that way.

To be honest, I don't read much of what you say because you interlace so many other things with what you are trying to say, blurring the lines, writing a book and can't seem to get to the point of the matter without losing the audience. Brevity can be your friend.

[DomnNC]

Originally Posted by Corkey

I might make an observation here, homeless people don't vote, they can't they must have an address.

Homeless people can most certainly vote! They use the address of the homeless shelter they are staying at or where they collect their checks if they are getting any!

[The_Lady_Snow]

Oh BTW the whole "more education" thing DNC

I never graduated highschool...

I couldn't I was in the streets.

I did however read ANYTHING I could get my hands on. I learned English in 3 months, and I used my library not only to get warm in but to


EDUCATE myself.

Weird huh?

[betenoire]

Originally Posted by DomnNC

They can check out classifieds thru their local paper or word of mouth if need be.

So they can check out the classifieds through their local paper or word of mouth...but they can't find out about current events in those ways?

Crikey!

Your last paragraph was mean-spirited. And believe-you-me: I know mean-spirited.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by DomnNC

And again, I was speaking mainly of the posts that were spewing forth the venom of ignorant voters, lumping people into groups, when NONE of us have any idea of their current circumstances, which I do believe I have said more than once which can't quite seem to seep into some people's brains!

Good for you that you were able to keep your computer and internet access while unemployed, some people can't, for some people that's the first thing that goes because it's NOT a necessity in order to live or to put food on their table, or keep a roof over their kids heads. They can check out classifieds thru their local paper or word of mouth if need be.

Lastly, you don't know me so don't presume to accuse me of anything, goal post moving indeed. I'm just speaking up about people who seem to think they are so much better than others because they have an education and choose to be more politically aware than others. I don't go for blanket statements or putting a group of people down because they don't choose to participate in something. Not everyone is an activist and that's OK. You seem to think that those who don't choose to be an activist are less than you or anyone else who chooses to be so. If you don't think that way then perhaps you should read back over some of your postings because it sure does come off that way.

To be honest, I don't read much of what you say because you interlace so many other things with what you are trying to say, blurring the lines, writing a book and can't seem to get to the point of the matter without losing the audience. Brevity can be your friend.

Of course you won't read AJ, then you can't just shrug things off... Her words become a screaming reality saying

"DO SOMETHING"

Your belittling AJ's posting style is a deflection of not wanting to be enlightened or educated about a very crucial issue.

It's hard DNC it's hard to do the hard, right thing.

I would ask you read AJ cause let me tell you, that's A HELLA lot of info you are dismissing because you don't like her posting style.

*sighs*

I am going to Big Lots bbl

[Corkey]

Originally Posted by DomnNC

Homeless people can most certainly vote! They use the address of the homeless shelter they are staying at or where they collect their checks!

Real homeless have no access to shelters, and what checks are you talking about, welfare? In most states men don't qualify for welfare. Shelters that I know of have a first come first served and no one stays more than over night. They don't have access to a post office box, and the voters registrars office will not accept a po box as an address. Here we have homeless who in the cold weather have access to a warming shelter that only opens up during extreme cold snaps. The US government will not send ssoc checks to a shelter, no matter who's in it.

[DomnNC]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

Oh BTW the whole "more education" thing DNC

I never graduated highschool...

I couldn't I was in the streets.

I did however read ANYTHING I could get my hands on. I learned English in 3 months, and I used my library not only to get warm in but to


EDUCATE myself.

Weird huh?

Not weird at all Snow, You weren't pontificating and throwing your education around like it's a banner of sorts, using it to put others down.

[DomnNC]

Originally Posted by Corkey

Real homeless have no access to shelters, and what checks are you talking about, welfare? In most states men don't qualify for welfare. Shelters that I know of have a first come first served and no one stays more than over night. They don't have access to a post office box, and the voters registrars office will not accept a po box as an address. Here we have homeless who in the cold weather have access to a warming shelter that only opens up during extreme cold snaps. The US government will not send ssoc checks to a shelter, no matter who's in it.

That may be true for your state Corkey but in NC one can most certainly use a homeless shelter as an address, maintain their right to vote and to receive correspondance from companies that may be interested in hiring them. Not all states declare the homeless cannot vote, I'm pretty sure there are no laws stipulating as such as because they are still citizens of the USA and have a constitutional right to vote.

Oh, and there are homeless who do receive a state stipend, it just isn't enough to put a roof over their head.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by DomnNC

Not weird at all Snow, You weren't pontificating and throwing your education around like it's a banner of sorts, using it to put others down.

That's just gross to say about AJ...

Not cool DNC not cool at all

[DomnNC]

Originally Posted by betenoire

So they can check out the classifieds through their local paper or word of mouth...but they can't find out about current events in those ways?

Crikey!

Your last paragraph was mean-spirited. And believe-you-me: I know mean-spirited.

Just as her condescending comment:

Sighs, do I really have to walk you thru this again, really?

That was condescending and mean spirited as well. You can't have it both ways. If you call one out then call em all out. Just because I don't agree with her on every single sentence in her postings does not make me mean spirited. It's ok to disagree on things, it's not ok to turn condescending towards another one when they don't agree with you.

I just came to this thread to state what I thought ONE person meant in a posting because it was being misconstrued and she's been taking me to task ever since implying that I somehow was complicit and agreed with Arizona's racial profiling law when that is the furtherest thing from the truth that there is. I've even stated as such.

Now ya'll can have your play space back.

[Corkey]

Originally Posted by DomnNC

That may be true for your state Corkey but in NC one can most certainly use a homeless shelter as an address, maintain their right to vote and to receive correspondance from companies that may be interested in hiring them. Not all states declare the homeless cannot vote, I'm pretty sure there are no laws stipulating as such as because they are still citizens of the USA and have a constitutional right to vote.

Oh, and there are homeless who do receive a state stipend, it just isn't enough to put a roof over their head.

That isn't a shelter it is a halfway house. A shelter is just that a roof over your head for a night, they will not accept correspondance from anyone. Not saying they don't have the right to vote, but in most states one MUST have a address to sign up TO vote. Your state is doing something MOST states don't do. A stipend isn't going to put food in their bellies either. It's just enough to by cigarettes and booze, to keep people homeless.
I also don't appreciate your statements about AJ, I find it rude and you could learn something if you'd read her posts.

[DomnNC]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

That's just gross to say about AJ...

Not cool DNC not cool at all

Umm, I didn't say I was talking about anyone in particular and I wasn't, that was your assumption.

[DomnNC]

Originally Posted by Corkey

That isn't a shelter it is a halfway house. A shelter is just that a roof over your head for a night, they will not accept correspondance from anyone. Not saying they don't have the right to vote, but in most states one MUST have a address to sign up TO vote. Your state is doing something MOST states don't do. A stipend isn't going to put food in their bellies either. It's just enough to by cigarettes and booze, to keep people homeless.
I also don't appreciate your statements about AJ, I find it rude and you could learn something if you'd read her posts.

Wow, that was some assumption to make! Just enough to put booze in their belly and buy cigs. That was just downright awful.

[Corkey]

Originally Posted by DomnNC

Wow, that was some assumption to make! Just enough to put booze in their belly and buy cigs. That was just downright awful.

Truth often hurts.

[BullDog]

DomnNC can I ask you a simple question, what is your point? No one needs to have any advanced degree or certain level of income to understand that racial profiling is wrong.

There are more opportunities than any time in the history of the world for people to be informed of what is going on around them. Even so, I still don't understand what needs to be studied or kept up on to know that racial profiling is wrong. We're talking about how human beings should be treated here.

The state of our economy and the fact that so many people are homeless and suffering is completely unacceptable. I think we all agree on that.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by DomnNC

Umm, I didn't say I was talking about anyone in particular and I wasn't, that was your assumption.

Dude!!

We're not stupid, subtext get used here everyday, I know you know cause you see it too and laugh about it. It's cool though, no need to back peddle, it wasn't cool what you did and I do hope you read AJ, she's an ocean of information and her education she worked fucking hard to get, she should be damn proud.

Do you know how hard it is for a POC to get that kind of education???

BBL Grant is gonna divorce me if I don't go now Big Lots calls.<subtext face> know what I'm saying?