If YOU Were President!

Rook · 12-05-2010, 07:10 PM

I appreciate that you like all the Rest, and I respect your point of view..
However, if we're focusing on Financing, as taxpayers...
Not even glancing at the Constitution's 8th amendment in the process..Their Constant Appeals{I think it's the exceptionally rare who waive off their right to appeals} also places a financial burden upon the Tax-payers, sometimes far more Expensive than say ..Life w/o Parole...
even as said Death Row inmate awaits his/her "Death" amid back2back appeals, we the taxpayers have to foot the bill to actually keep him/her healthy until such time the State is scheduled to carry their sentence..
Frequently, while they await their Sentence to be carried out, depending on each Prisons Policy, death row inmates, because of the severity of their Isolation, it's not uncommon to find they slipped into severe mental illness...
I'm aware that Timothy McVeigh's execution was rather quick, but I think he was one of those rare moments in Justice...
There's also the fact that some states actually make some sentences "quicker" because, in all honesty, the cocktail they use in lethal injection has an expiration date-snort-...
Also, there are some who managed to wiggle Out of Death Row after DNA has proven their innocence, others haven't been quite as lucky..
A Lifer stands a far better chance at receiving his/her own piece of Justice than someone who was Executed {if they're truly innocent}..
Back to Finance, 1 case in Capital punishment cost 500,000$, in attorney fees alone, then there's Medical, personnel, etc etc....
Yes a lifer gets 3 meals a day{shitty food, but food nonetheless, ask any ex-con.. }, maybe a TV {basic cable that the Guards control on a whim}, clothing{who wants wool jumpsuits??}, a Room of your own , shared with probably 1 or 4 perpetually horny big-ass Bubba Joes, the matresses are sub-par, u get a nifty teeny weeny window, and a really...hmm, shitty Loo...
Communal Shower, with maybe 30 murderers, rapists etc..
Medical and Dental, true...
No different than a Death Row inmate...
But I can guarantee, it's not 5 star recommended Medical..

I think I explained better in the other Thread dealing with this very subject though...

I could be wrong, who knows..
and I don't mean to negate your feelings, just giving "the other side of the issue" so to speak...

WolfyOne · 12-05-2010, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rook

I appreciate that you like all the Rest, and I respect your point of view..
However, if we're focusing on Financing, as taxpayers...
Not even glancing at the Constitution's 8th amendment in the process..Their Constant Appeals{I think it's the exceptionally rare who waive off their right to appeals} also places a financial burden upon the Tax-payers, sometimes far more Expensive than say ..Life w/o Parole...
even as said Death Row inmate awaits his/her "Death" amid back2back appeals, we the taxpayers have to foot the bill to actually keep him/her healthy until such time the State is scheduled to carry their sentence..
Frequently, while they await their Sentence to be carried out, depending on each Prisons Policy, death row inmates, because of the severity of their Isolation, it's not uncommon to find they slipped into severe mental illness...
I'm aware that Timothy McVeigh's execution was rather quick, but I think he was one of those rare moments in Justice...
There's also the fact that some states actually make some sentences "quicker" because, in all honesty, the cocktail they use in lethal injection has an expiration date-snort-...
Also, there are some who managed to wiggle Out of Death Row after DNA has proven their innocence, others haven't been quite as lucky..
A Lifer stands a far better chance at receiving his/her own piece of Justice than someone who was Executed {if they're truly innocent}..
Back to Finance, 1 case in Capital punishment cost 500,000$, in attorney fees alone, then there's Medical, personnel, etc etc....
Yes a lifer gets 3 meals a day{shitty food, but food nonetheless, ask any ex-con.. }, maybe a TV {basic cable that the Guards control on a whim}, clothing{who wants wool jumpsuits??}, a Room of your own , shared with probably 1 or 4 perpetually horny big-ass Bubba Joes, the matresses are sub-par, u get a nifty teeny weeny window, and a really...hmm, shitty Loo...
Communal Shower, with maybe 30 murderers, rapists etc..
Medical and Dental, true...
No different than a Death Row inmate...
But I can guarantee, it's not 5 star recommended Medical..

I think I explained better in the other Thread dealing with this very subject though...

I could be wrong, who knows..
and I don't mean to negate your feelings, just giving "the other side of the issue" so to speak...

I understand you Rook, but at least they get more than homeless people
As President I would want more for the homeless and less for those in prison
No one living in the United States should have to go hungry

Rook · 12-05-2010, 07:32 PM

Ok, I agree there...
Being homeless scares the crap out of me...
Dangerously close to it several times in the past....
I would definitely create awareness and Direct Action to help the Homeless shelters, as well as domestic Violence shelters for both men and women {hetero and homosexual}, maybe Create financing for some Shelters to allow Pets{within Reason}, many who Need the help and have very cherished Pets tend to waive the help initially because of the no-pets policy....

Corkey · 12-05-2010, 07:37 PM

I don't think any of you would like me for President, and that's quite all right. I think I would do much better as a Senator, to help bring back sanity and to keep our Constitution from those who would bring us to Fascism.

That said, I would have to take an economic course or two as this wasn't my forte in college.

Death penalty should only be reserved for the worst of the worst. To arbitrarily kill isn't justice, it's vigilanteism. Those that DNA proves to be innocent should be released without predigest.
Due process is there for those who are innocent as well as the guilty. To loose our rights because of personal animus is not acceptable.

I would vote to repeal DADT, DOMA and pass with Transpeople included EDNA.

I would vote to pass unemployment extensions so that this country can begin to dig itself out of this mess W left us.

I would vote for a flat tax for those making over 250,000.00 a year, and it would be substantial, 40-50 %, and those making over 2 million 50-60%. Those who do not make 250K and less would get tax exemptions for interest paid to college education, home mortgages, and caretaker health care.

I would vote for Nationalized healthcare for every citizen, nationalized and working on a guest or workers visa. Those who make over 250K would be responsible for their own health care and can apply at any time they do not make this cut off.

Comprehensive immigration is a harder subject, but I would start by making the Dream Act law.

There is more, but I've drained my hands of typing at the moment.

Diva · 12-05-2010, 08:02 PM

I have a very active fantasy life, but not in my wildest imagination could I EVER imagine myself as the President.

That being SAID......(You KNEW there was more, didn't You?) I would certainly make DADT go away pronto.

I would be a good example of my "yes" meaning "yes" and my "no" meaning "no". Answer the questions asked and no wishy~washy, beat~around~the~bush answers. I get SO SICK of that from ANY politician ~ who is just doing that to cover their asses for their constituents. Ten years later, no one would have to ask what I meant.....or I wouldn't have to say, "What I MEANT by that was blah, blah, blah....."

Must we outsource so much?

Can we not take care of our own citizens? The children.....the elderly.....the ones unemployed.......the uninsured......the challenged.......single parents....... EDUCATION?

Yes....and let's give the raises the politicians are giving to themselves to the Teachers, Police Officers and Firefighters. Let's bring our military home.

Let's pay down our national debt and mind our own beeswax.

There should be a rule that says EVERYone gets cookies and milk at 3:30. Period.

And lastly............ PLAY NICE.

EDITED TO ADD: Equality rights......especially in the marriage area; if a woman is hired for a job, she should get the same pay as her male counterpart.

I guess I DID have something to say afterall....

rlin · 12-05-2010, 08:13 PM

i think that there are only a few things that need to be done to make the country tolerable...

the foremost being the separation of church and state... in every sense... all the way to anyone in a government position not being allowed to divulge their theological viewpoints... that would fix many of the civil rights problems in the country... poof...

the second is to overhaul the justice system... top to bottom... starting with (and i am sorry) abolishing lawyers arguing cases in courts... go to trial by a true panel of peers... prolly have to increase the number to more than 12 and maybe let a 60/40 split decide...

prolly need a flat tax... no deductions... as much as 30%... this would also help to fund programs to assist those that cannot afford the 30% but had to pay it anyway...

lastly... address... somehow... the power of corporations... and... also the way our elections or should i say our campaigns are ran...

hmmm...

oh.... and... maybe institute some policy that states that the current and sitting president only is allowed by law to be a law unto herself... yeah... total control... sounds nice to me!

Passionaria · 12-05-2010, 10:15 PM

If I were President I would:
1. Pardon Lenard Peltier
2. Put Indigenous elders on the environmental committees.Including teaching the youth about caring for the earth.
3. Put single mothers in charge of Social Services.
4. Socialize medicine, and give people insurance that covers Allopathic and Natural health care options. Pay doctors not Insurance companies.
5. Take care of us, as a country rather than having our noses in everyone else's business.
6. Work on International relations through LISTENING and understanding.

Blade · 02-05-2011, 03:22 PM

Hard to believe with all of our opinions and "He should's" and "I wish He'd" and all that good stuff, that there are only 23 posts on this thread. I guess we have nothing to complain about and all is good and being taken care of as we speak with Obama in office.

Corkey · 02-05-2011, 03:55 PM

Obama, contrary to popular belief doesn't have all that much power. The office of President only holds 1/3 of the power of government. The Congress and Judiciary are the other 2/3's, its set up that way....So for all the cavetching that happens, the President has only so much he can do, and only so much he is responsible for. Don't forget we are supposed to VOTE.

Blade · 02-05-2011, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corkey

Obama, contrary to popular belief doesn't have all that much power. The office of President only holds 1/3 of the power of government. The Congress and Judiciary are the other 2/3's, its set up that way....So for all the cavetching that happens, the President has only so much he can do, and only so much he is responsible for. Don't forget we are supposed to VOTE.

Exactly Corkey and the sad thing is the majority go out and vote for the presidential election but much fewer come out to vote for other elected officials. I just remember a few years back all the Bush bashing that was going on like he had made all the laws rules and regulations and decisions all alone and by himself

12-05-2010, 07:10 PM	#1
Rook Senior Member How Do You Identify?: A.G - Stone Butch - GenderFuck Preferred Pronoun?: Hym, Hyz...or, just b respectable, it's not that hard.. Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Columbus Posts: 2,280 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 2,227 Thanked 3,182 Times in 1,287 Posts Rep Power: 21474855	I appreciate that you like all the Rest, and I respect your point of view.. However, if we're focusing on Financing, as taxpayers... Not even glancing at the Constitution's 8th amendment in the process..Their Constant Appeals{I think it's the exceptionally rare who waive off their right to appeals} also places a financial burden upon the Tax-payers, sometimes far more Expensive than say ..Life w/o Parole... even as said Death Row inmate awaits his/her "Death" amid back2back appeals, we the taxpayers have to foot the bill to actually keep him/her healthy until such time the State is scheduled to carry their sentence.. Frequently, while they await their Sentence to be carried out, depending on each Prisons Policy, death row inmates, because of the severity of their Isolation, it's not uncommon to find they slipped into severe mental illness... I'm aware that Timothy McVeigh's execution was rather quick, but I think he was one of those rare moments in Justice... There's also the fact that some states actually make some sentences "quicker" because, in all honesty, the cocktail they use in lethal injection has an expiration date-snort-... Also, there are some who managed to wiggle Out of Death Row after DNA has proven their innocence, others haven't been quite as lucky.. A Lifer stands a far better chance at receiving his/her own piece of Justice than someone who was Executed {if they're truly innocent}.. Back to Finance, 1 case in Capital punishment cost 500,000$, in attorney fees alone, then there's Medical, personnel, etc etc.... Yes a lifer gets 3 meals a day{shitty food, but food nonetheless, ask any ex-con.. }, maybe a TV {basic cable that the Guards control on a whim}, clothing{who wants wool jumpsuits??}, a Room of your own , shared with probably 1 or 4 perpetually horny big-ass Bubba Joes, the matresses are sub-par, u get a nifty teeny weeny window, and a really...hmm, shitty Loo... Communal Shower, with maybe 30 murderers, rapists etc.. Medical and Dental, true... No different than a Death Row inmate... But I can guarantee, it's not 5 star recommended Medical.. I think I explained better in the other Thread dealing with this very subject though... I could be wrong, who knows.. and I don't mean to negate your feelings, just giving "the other side of the issue" so to speak... __________________

12-05-2010, 07:32 PM	#3
Rook Senior Member How Do You Identify?: A.G - Stone Butch - GenderFuck Preferred Pronoun?: Hym, Hyz...or, just b respectable, it's not that hard.. Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Columbus Posts: 2,280 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 2,227 Thanked 3,182 Times in 1,287 Posts Rep Power: 21474855	Ok, I agree there... Being homeless scares the crap out of me... Dangerously close to it several times in the past.... I would definitely create awareness and Direct Action to help the Homeless shelters, as well as domestic Violence shelters for both men and women {hetero and homosexual}, maybe Create financing for some Shelters to allow Pets{within Reason}, many who Need the help and have very cherished Pets tend to waive the help initially because of the no-pets policy.... __________________

12-05-2010, 07:37 PM	#4
Corkey Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: Human Preferred Pronoun?: He Relationship Status: Very Married Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Where I want to be Posts: 8,155 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 47,491 Thanked 29,268 Times in 6,637 Posts Rep Power: 21474859	I don't think any of you would like me for President, and that's quite all right. I think I would do much better as a Senator, to help bring back sanity and to keep our Constitution from those who would bring us to Fascism. That said, I would have to take an economic course or two as this wasn't my forte in college. Death penalty should only be reserved for the worst of the worst. To arbitrarily kill isn't justice, it's vigilanteism. Those that DNA proves to be innocent should be released without predigest. Due process is there for those who are innocent as well as the guilty. To loose our rights because of personal animus is not acceptable. I would vote to repeal DADT, DOMA and pass with Transpeople included EDNA. I would vote to pass unemployment extensions so that this country can begin to dig itself out of this mess W left us. I would vote for a flat tax for those making over 250,000.00 a year, and it would be substantial, 40-50 %, and those making over 2 million 50-60%. Those who do not make 250K and less would get tax exemptions for interest paid to college education, home mortgages, and caretaker health care. I would vote for Nationalized healthcare for every citizen, nationalized and working on a guest or workers visa. Those who make over 250K would be responsible for their own health care and can apply at any time they do not make this cut off. Comprehensive immigration is a harder subject, but I would start by making the Dream Act law. There is more, but I've drained my hands of typing at the moment. __________________ "Many proposals have been made to us to adopt your laws, your religion, your manners and your customs. We would be better pleased with beholding the good effects of these doctrines in your own practices, than with hearing you talk about them". ~Old Tassel, Chief of the Tsalagi (Cherokee)

12-05-2010, 08:02 PM	#5
Diva Timed Out How Do You Identify?: Diva Preferred Pronoun?: Diva Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Chez Diva Posts: 11,879 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 9,263 Thanked 17,175 Times in 5,239 Posts Rep Power: 0	I have a very active fantasy life, but not in my wildest imagination could I EVER imagine myself as the President. That being SAID......(You KNEW there was more, didn't You?) I would certainly make DADT go away pronto. I would be a good example of my "yes" meaning "yes" and my "no" meaning "no". Answer the questions asked and no wishy~washy, beat~around~the~bush answers. I get SO SICK of that from ANY politician ~ who is just doing that to cover their asses for their constituents. Ten years later, no one would have to ask what I meant.....or I wouldn't have to say, "What I MEANT by that was blah, blah, blah....." Must we outsource so much? Can we not take care of our own citizens? The children.....the elderly.....the ones unemployed.......the uninsured......the challenged.......single parents....... EDUCATION? Yes....and let's give the raises the politicians are giving to themselves to the Teachers, Police Officers and Firefighters. Let's bring our military home. Let's pay down our national debt and mind our own beeswax. There should be a rule that says EVERYone gets cookies and milk at 3:30. Period. And lastly............ PLAY NICE. EDITED TO ADD: Equality rights......especially in the marriage area; if a woman is hired for a job, she should get the same pay as her male counterpart. I guess I DID have something to say afterall.... Last edited by Diva; 12-05-2010 at 08:14 PM.

12-05-2010, 10:15 PM	#7
Passionaria Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Urban Bohemian : http://youtu.be/IM96Ch9Gx4A Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: She ran away with with the Gypsy's ✿ Posts: 2,519 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 5,316 Thanked 3,737 Times in 1,248 Posts Rep Power: 16689911	If I were President I would: 1. Pardon Lenard Peltier 2. Put Indigenous elders on the environmental committees.Including teaching the youth about caring for the earth. 3. Put single mothers in charge of Social Services. 4. Socialize medicine, and give people insurance that covers Allopathic and Natural health care options. Pay doctors not Insurance companies. 5. Take care of us, as a country rather than having our noses in everyone else's business. 6. Work on International relations through LISTENING and understanding. __________________ *Moon cat madness*

12-05-2010, 08:13 PM	#6
rlin Member How Do You Identify?: human Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: nomad Posts: 712 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 1,450 Thanked 1,189 Times in 451 Posts Rep Power: 1004849	i think that there are only a few things that need to be done to make the country tolerable... the foremost being the separation of church and state... in every sense... all the way to anyone in a government position not being allowed to divulge their theological viewpoints... that would fix many of the civil rights problems in the country... poof... the second is to overhaul the justice system... top to bottom... starting with (and i am sorry) abolishing lawyers arguing cases in courts... go to trial by a true panel of peers... prolly have to increase the number to more than 12 and maybe let a 60/40 split decide... prolly need a flat tax... no deductions... as much as 30%... this would also help to fund programs to assist those that cannot afford the 30% but had to pay it anyway... lastly... address... somehow... the power of corporations... and... also the way our elections or should i say our campaigns are ran... hmmm... oh.... and... maybe institute some policy that states that the current and sitting president only is allowed by law to be a law unto herself... yeah... total control... sounds nice to me!

02-05-2011, 03:22 PM	#8
Blade Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: TG Preferred Pronoun?: He Relationship Status: once in a while someone amazing comes along...and here I am! Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Down on the farm Posts: 5,501 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 9,855 Thanked 14,412 Times in 4,058 Posts Rep Power: 21474857	Hard to believe with all of our opinions and "He should's" and "I wish He'd" and all that good stuff, that there are only 23 posts on this thread. I guess we have nothing to complain about and all is good and being taken care of as we speak with Obama in office. __________________ Yeah so what if I'm triple dipped in awesome sauce? The best way to predict the future, is to create it.

02-05-2011, 03:55 PM	#9
Corkey Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: Human Preferred Pronoun?: He Relationship Status: Very Married Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Where I want to be Posts: 8,155 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 47,491 Thanked 29,268 Times in 6,637 Posts Rep Power: 21474859	Obama, contrary to popular belief doesn't have all that much power. The office of President only holds 1/3 of the power of government. The Congress and Judiciary are the other 2/3's, its set up that way....So for all the cavetching that happens, the President has only so much he can do, and only so much he is responsible for. Don't forget we are supposed to VOTE. __________________ "Many proposals have been made to us to adopt your laws, your religion, your manners and your customs. We would be better pleased with beholding the good effects of these doctrines in your own practices, than with hearing you talk about them". ~Old Tassel, Chief of the Tsalagi (Cherokee)