FTM's and Transitioning

[The Oopster]

Originally Posted by atomiczombie

I am now on a higher dose (twice as high as before) of the daily Androgel. My doctor finally increased it. I hope something dramatic starts to happen soon, cause it has been since May that I have been on T and not much to show for it at all.

Unfortunately drew the process is really slow for topical T. I did not do the androgel but the creme and was on it for i think 3 years before I started injections. I can tell you i have great body hair on my inner thighs where i applied it the most ... and my voice and some features changed a tad. Also for a time my sex drive increased. Major changes in body hair, voice, and that monthly crap didn't happen til I went on injections and even there they didn't happen on the initial low dose ...

What the creme mainly did for me was it provided me a safe slow platform to see how my body would adjust. Maybe it can be the same for you. I know there are concerns you and your drs have about the T and maybe this is just the pathway to the changes you desire.

[atomiczombie]

Originally Posted by The Oopster

Unfortunately drew the process is really slow for topical T. I did not do the androgel but the creme and was on it for i think 3 years before I started injections. I can tell you i have great body hair on my inner thighs where i applied it the most ... and my voice and some features changed a tad. Also for a time my sex drive increased. Major changes in body hair, voice, and that monthly crap didn't happen til I went on injections and even there they didn't happen on the initial low dose ...

What the creme mainly did for me was it provided me a safe slow platform to see how my body would adjust. Maybe it can be the same for you. I know there are concerns you and your drs have about the T and maybe this is just the pathway to the changes you desire.

I can't do the shots. Ever. My doctors are adamant about that. So this is my only path to transitioning. However, I don't have a uterus or ovaries so there is no Estrogen there to fight with the T. There is no speeding this up anymore than the new dose for me. *sigh*

[The Oopster]

Originally Posted by atomiczombie

I can't do the shots. Ever. My doctors are adamant about that. So this is my only path to transitioning. However, I don't have a uterus or ovaries so there is no Estrogen there to fight with the T. There is no speeding this up anymore than the new dose for me. *sigh*

Then just be patient ... some of the changes even if you could do the shots might not look the way you expect. I still am on the low end for facial hair but i wouldn't put my brother or dad or even grandpa as being overly hairy.

One of the things I did/do and really don't know if it makes a difference is i would rub a tad of T in the areas I'd like hair to produce... for example when i've done my shot the little left around the syringe I rub on my upper hands ...I do have hand hair coming in. Now whether or not this is occuring because of this I don't know. Likewise when I was on the creme like I said my inner thighs are extremely hairy. I really never have rubbed any on my face because i'm pretty neutral on facial hair. Occasionally i will do my sideburns though .. cause I would like those.

The point is I don't think facial hair is what my body is thrilled to produce no matter of what my dosage .. now nose hair ... uncontrollable eyebrows yes, and god i'm still hoping my dads ear hair stays away.

However even with the creme and still today on the shots my voice seems to drop ... I have a pretty low man's voice trans or no trans

Also look to other people to access the changes in you. I remember immediately after I started the creme and I was on a dose just to get my levels up to the normal levels for females there were changes and people already had a hard time recognizing me. Even today I have to look at photos of myself to see how much i really have changed. It is harder for me to see the changes others can easily see

[atomiczombie]

Originally Posted by The Oopster

Then just be patient ... some of the changes even if you could do the shots might not look the way you expect. I still am on the low end for facial hair but i wouldn't put my brother or dad or even grandpa as being overly hairy.

One of the things I did/do and really don't know if it makes a difference is i would rub a tad of T in the areas I'd like hair to produce... for example when i've done my shot the little left around the syringe I rub on my upper hands ...I do have hand hair coming in. Now whether or not this is occuring because of this I don't know. Likewise when I was on the creme like I said my inner thighs are extremely hairy. I really never have rubbed any on my face because i'm pretty neutral on facial hair. Occasionally i will do my sideburns though .. cause I would like those.

The point is I don't think facial hair is what my body is thrilled to produce no matter of what my dosage .. now nose hair ... uncontrollable eyebrows yes, and god i'm still hoping my dads ear hair stays away.

However even with the creme and still today on the shots my voice seems to drop ... I have a pretty low man's voice trans or no trans

Also look to other people to access the changes in you. I remember immediately after I started the creme and I was on a dose just to get my levels up to the normal levels for females there were changes and people already had a hard time recognizing me. Even today I have to look at photos of myself to see how much i really have changed. It is harder for me to see the changes others can easily see

I really don't care so much about the hair to be honest. My dad and other men in my family aren't all that hairy, and that's fine. I just want my voice to drop and my body fat to re-distribute to a more masculine frame.

[The Oopster]

Originally Posted by atomiczombie

I really don't care so much about the hair to be honest. My dad and other men in my family aren't all that hairy, and that's fine. I just want my voice to drop and my body fat to re-distribute to a more masculine frame.

Just know that how those things happen are hard to say ...even if you were on injections. I think some of it depends on where you are to start with. I have always had a more masculine frame .. could never really fit in women's clothes my butt was made for men's pants ... and I sang tenor in choir .. so already had a fairly low voice.

I see ftm's and cismen that are hippy and have higher voices ... so just be aware there are no promised to what T will do for a given person irregardless of the dosage

[atomiczombie]

Originally Posted by The Oopster

Just know that how those things happen are hard to say ...even if you were on injections. I think some of it depends on where you are to start with. I have always had a more masculine frame .. could never really fit in women's clothes my butt was made for men's pants ... and I sang tenor in choir .. so already had a fairly low voice.

I see ftm's and cismen that are hippy and have higher voices ... so just be aware there are no promised to what T will do for a given person irregardless of the dosage

Well my ass is already changing shape lol. I've developed a plumber's crack issue that I never had before, and my belly is sticking out more.

[MasterWolf]

Originally Posted by The Oopster

Just know that how those things happen are hard to say ...even if you were on injections. I think some of it depends on where you are to start with. I have always had a more masculine frame .. could never really fit in women's clothes my butt was made for men's pants ... and I sang tenor in choir .. so already had a fairly low voice.

I see ftm's and cismen that are hippy and have higher voices ... so just be aware there are no promised to what T will do for a given person irregardless of the dosage

My experience is that a lot of what your body does, depends on what it already is, as you said.
Ive always had shoulders larger than my hips, not much hips or ass, and relatively hairless arms and legs.

After being on T since late 2006, (first the patches for a 7 mos, then shots), my voice went from a 2nd tenor before T to a bass after. I still have very little arm, leg, belly or chest hair... the facial hair is not worth mentioning, but at least i have no receding hairline...whew...

My ass and hips are even smaller, my shoulders larger in proportion to them, and whatever little i had in my ass is now in my belly. I've lost 110 # in the past two years...not sure how, it just happened, so unfortunately, due to my chest NOT reducing except in inches, I am now read even more as a "WTF is that" than before. Which is usually fine...until I try to find a public restroom! LOL

peace

Wolf

I'm also on a lower dose of T than what they usually give guys who are transitioning, so that might make a difference.

[theoddz]

Much of how you're going to look, post transition, depends on your heredity. I was adopted when I was 3 months old and my adoption went through the state of Florida in the early 1960's, so there's really no way for me to find my birth parents. Florida's adoptions were "closed" back then and my birth mother never left word or her permission for my sister and I to find her at a later time, when we came of age. There's always been a big hole in my heart where this is concerned and I have often wondered what my birth father must have looked like.

Transitioning has given me a bit of a window, or a "peek" into that missing side of my bloodline. I now look in the mirror and I can almost see my birth father. I have more than ample body hair and I've been able to grow a good crop of facial hair, thanks to T. My voice has dropped well into the lower octaves and my body shape has, well, changed. All that was "in the trunk" is now around the waist and I fight that all the time.

I'm kinda thinking that my birth father must have looked a hella like a Scandinavian Viking, because my (adopted) mother is full Swedish and I look just like her side of the family!! All big, strapping Swedes.....with some German thrown in from my Uncle Bud's marriage to my German blooded Aunt Nadine. My cousin David and I look like we could have been twins, and he and I have always been very close, having grown up together and only a year apart in age. Oh, and he's nearly fully bald now....while I am "thinning" on top and definitely have the receding hair line.

I do have to say that, for me, transitioning put more than just a few pieces of "me" together. It's been a time of revelation, really, on many levels. It's definitely made a happier me.

My best wishes go out to all the Brothers here, for a wonderful holiday season, full of love, joy and the best life has to offer.

Happy Holidays!!!

~Theo~

[Sam]

Originally Posted by atomiczombie

I really don't care so much about the hair to be honest. My dad and other men in my family aren't all that hairy, and that's fine. I just want my voice to drop and my body fat to re-distribute to a more masculine frame.

Man, thi is a great discussion. My weight and love handles didnt redistribute until year 3 on inj T. THIS YEAR, little by little it just kept changing. I still have my belly which i just got ok'd to stop the vaseline on graphs and i can return to work and exercise. i'm way excited. i have been stir crazy.

i have talked to other guys injecting and they have the weight disdtribution thing not happening.

Koop, im gonna try that extra T on this one spot on my face where hair does not grow, right in the middle of my beard. thanks

Otherwise life is great.

Happy Holiday's to you all