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I cannot believe how jealous I am of your students. *sigh*

But hey *perks up* at least we get to talk here!

Originally Posted by foxyshaman

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I NEVER believed in curses. I thought they were poppycock!! And then I kept running into them over and over again when I did soul retrieval work. Lucky for me I had spirits who were more than willing to help me to remove them.

You might notice I ever so carefully did not mention how LONG it took me to get spiritually self-confident *looks around, whistling* an awful lot of things have changed pretty drastically for me here in Kansas.... but then, this is the first time I can claim long-term and close-up experience with any kind of shamanism. It deals with different kinds of energy work and different kinds of beings than I have dealt with before.

Originally Posted by foxyshaman

I offered myself as the guinea pig for the class in Feb. So I had 15 of the 20 participants remove curses. I am going to bore you with the details so grab your now. I wore all black and took a 30 ft white nylon rope and had one of the students tie me in it. The reason was to have something 'tangible' to follow. Well all I can say was what a totally humbling exprience that was. People who did not know me came back telling me stories of ancestors being cursed for killing in a battle, & love gone awry, & abandonment and the list goes on. They were so accurate. Each person also had to tell me, if they could, what I could do with the rope to be a physical manifestation of the curse being removed. Well I had a number of suggestions. It was endlessly fascinating how many people came back with the same imagery... desert, black caves, lonely landscape... to name a few. Some of the curses were the same, or had the same underlying cause. It was interesting. And much of it completely related to long standing personal issues that are private.

So what I want to know is whether you expected them to find anything at all. I would have expected that you would be pretty "clean" psychically speaking, after years and years of taking care of yourself the way a shaman does! Did all those people finding curses surprise you, or was it only the intensity of the experience that was a surprise?

Originally Posted by foxyshaman

That night I went home and bathed and felt like - picture this - two chicken breasts four inches apart with string criss crossing to tie them together. That is what I felt like energetically. And I was not able to burn the rope for two weeks (the joys of being balls to the wall busy) but I felt all that time like I was wading through really heavy water. I was abnormally tired, sore and unable to wake. During the release ceremony the bag with the rope, which should have burnt like <snap fingers> didn't. It took on faces and fangs and a couple of other "looks". It took over 1/2 hour for the bag to even begin to burn. Then only a small hole burnt, then the inside burnt, the packing paper never really caught fire it just changed in darkness & layers. Anyway... about 3/4 of the way through I felt this enormous weight lift off my body. Duh... and feel SO MUCH BETTER.

Got any idea why it was so resistant? I'm curious because I'm running into resistant things lately, things that morph as I try to get them out of my head, my life, That House... the cleansings I do seemed to be easy at first and I don't know if it's getting harder because it's less effective now, or because I'm still tired and burnt out from December's huge energy-sending, or because I've cleaned out all the easy stuff and what's left behind is entrenched and really IS harder to get rid of...

Originally Posted by foxyshaman

The difference is remarkable. Will I change, well I think I will if I continually work on it. Do I think it helped, yes but in subtle ways and is still working. Would I ever let 15 ppl take curses off me at once... can I get a HELL NO. The energy work and removal was intense. Aside from the symptoms above I had a temper like crazy, and I don't really have one. I was a freaking basket case a couple of days there. Very unusual mental patterns. Since the release.... peace... more peace than I have had in a very long time.

Peace is a good thing, love. It makes me smile to know that you have new levels of it.

Originally Posted by foxyshaman

I taught the class again last weekend and did not offer myself up. But changed how things were done. I have not heard back from the students to see if they are changed, but I know if it worked for me, I am sure it will work for others.

I am teaching a level 2 class in May combining curse removal and power retrieval and will touch on soul retrieval as well. Should be intense. I am gonna work em hard

If they're worth your time, they will love you for working them hard. I would, anyway.

Originally Posted by foxyshaman

Anyway, there is my tome.

Curses, never believed in them.

But google the word Defixiones, it may give you some interesting food for thought.

Yeah, those old curse tablets are pretty amazing, aren't they? I didn't look at any of them... yanno... just in case. Lord love a duck, I think I might be gun-shy now.

My latest lesson in curses: I know someone who made the terrible mistake of buying a cursed house. He thought he was safe because he had a priest bless the house. He thought that removed the curse.

Then someone gifted spiritually removed the curse... they thought.

But yanno what, the whole time it was still working. It's still working today, even though Gryph quietly took the curse off three years ago.

The guy's wife keeps putting the energy back the way it was, to make it feel the same as it always did. Nobody can un-curse the house as long as she insists on being tied to it, because she doesn't know she's doing it and she wouldn't understand or believe anyone who tried to explain it to her. All she knows is that she feels safer when everything around her feels like it always did, so she puts it back "in order" when anyone disturbs it.

So. Even though I said before that cursing depends on the skills and belief of the curser, it is also true that once a curse is in place, other people can keep it there. A person doesn't have to be very sophisticated psychically to be strong, yanno?

Keep talking, oh Foxy one, you're sparking me to all kinds of insights now... Someday I would love to figure out how to call Canada and talk your ear off, lol....

Cath

[foxyshaman]

You might notice I ever so carefully did not mention how LONG it took me to get spiritually self-confident *looks around, whistling* an awful lot of things have changed pretty drastically for me here in Kansas.... but then, this is the first time I can claim long-term and close-up experience with any kind of shamanism. It deals with different kinds of energy work and different kinds of beings than I have dealt with before.

It took you a long time... girl it took me a long time to believe in curses!!! Let alone figure out how to remove them. We are similar in more ways than I think you think!!

So what I want to know is whether you expected them to find anything at all. I would have expected that you would be pretty "clean" psychically speaking, after years and years of taking care of yourself the way a shaman does! Did all those people finding curses surprise you, or was it only the intensity of the experience that was a surprise?

I TOTALLY expected them to find them. I was really hoping they would find them. What I have learnt over the years is that I, despite working as hard as I do, can be as blind to myself as others. It can be really hard to work for ourselves because we have uber super duper filters that we have worked "lifetimes", not to mention this lifetime, on. So, I don't always see it. And to tell you the truth I never really put a great deal of effort into removing my curses. I have done quite a bit of cognitive behavioural therapy lately and think that it was the right time to get spiritual results that mirrored my cognitive results. As with most intense spiritual practice it is always better to get someone to else to do the work, it just works better.


Got any idea why it was so resistant? I'm curious because I'm running into resistant things lately, things that morph as I try to get them out of my head, my life, That House... the cleansings I do seemed to be easy at first and I don't know if it's getting harder because it's less effective now, or because I'm still tired and burnt out from December's huge energy-sending, or because I've cleaned out all the easy stuff and what's left behind is entrenched and really IS harder to get rid of...

You may want to change what it is your doing. Its akin to an antibiotic, spirit, negative spirit can get resistant to what we are doing. Change it up and come at it from a different angle or use another technique. Perhaps you know someone, or even Gryph, who can do an extraction on your body. It may be that you have an attachment or two that is stopping the work. Another set of eyes on your spiritual health cannot hurt at all.


My latest lesson in curses: I know someone who made the terrible mistake of buying a cursed house. He thought he was safe because he had a priest bless the house. He thought that removed the curse.

Then someone gifted spiritually removed the curse... they thought.

But yanno what, the whole time it was still working. It's still working today, even though Gryph quietly took the curse off three years ago.

The guy's wife keeps putting the energy back the way it was, to make it feel the same as it always did. Nobody can un-curse the house as long as she insists on being tied to it, because she doesn't know she's doing it and she wouldn't understand or believe anyone who tried to explain it to her. All she knows is that she feels safer when everything around her feels like it always did, so she puts it back "in order" when anyone disturbs it.

So. Even though I said before that cursing depends on the skills and belief of the curser, it is also true that once a curse is in place, other people can keep it there. A person doesn't have to be very sophisticated psychically to be strong, yanno?

It to me sounds like you are dealing with a suffering being. Now I am going to sound totally like a loon here, but bear with me. <cause seriously it won't be the first time I have seemed that way> I had a case in January of a house that had been REPEATEDLY cleared. One priest even came to the house to do a memorial service, and it helped the house, but only a bit and for a very short period of time. I was asked to come in and see what i could sense. The first thing I did was compassionately depossess the woman who lived in the house. Then, this was a total first for me, I offered my body as the way to get the spirits out of the house... now I would never ever have done that if I did not have my partner with me and was sure she could get them outta me. The spirits who left through me, spoke their story and told what we were specifically to do to interrupt the ley lines so that the house was not on a "super highway" of traveling spirits. We came back two weeks later, did the follow up work. Called in our spirits and cleared the house one last time. Peace in the house. It was a very humbling experience, but it worked. Quiet house. First time quiet in many years

The curse/being/unknown energy of the house you are referring to may well have attached itself to the Lady of the house. They are tricky tricky tricky beings and not to be underestimated. If you were fighting for your life (even if that is not what it really is) you would do anything. And so do they. I would suggest that the owners of the home google Betsy Bergstrom, and send her an email and ask if she has any students living in the area who can do this work. At this point they have nothing to lose. And you may be able to be a part of the healing ceremony and see some fascinating work done. Those are my thoughts.

We do have to figure out a way to get together. I think it would be divine to meet and share our collective knowledge. Put it out there, you never know what may come back!!

Have a wonderful day my sweet friend.

Lots of love

Foxy

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Originally Posted by foxyshaman

It took you a long time... girl it took me a long time to believe in curses!!! Let alone figure out how to remove them. We are similar in more ways than I think you think!!

Well, we're certainly sympatico.

I think a difference between us (been thinking about this) is that you decided to follow the path and then went for it, felt a calling and answered--and I, to my regret, have never been able to do so. Fear has held me back every step of the way and quite honestly, Foxy, it still does (although not as badly as before). And now that I am in a position where fear does not rule me as much--my focus is shot. Sheesh, how ironic.

Originally Posted by foxyshaman

I TOTALLY expected them to find them. I was really hoping they would find them. What I have learnt over the years is that I, despite working as hard as I do, can be as blind to myself as others. It can be really hard to work for ourselves because we have uber super duper filters that we have worked "lifetimes", not to mention this lifetime, on. So, I don't always see it. And to tell you the truth I never really put a great deal of effort into removing my curses. I have done quite a bit of cognitive behavioural therapy lately and think that it was the right time to get spiritual results that mirrored my cognitive results. As with most intense spiritual practice it is always better to get someone to else to do the work, it just works better.

Huh... well, there's a couple new things to think of. I've been feeling guilty about how much Gryph does on my behalf; he's been working on cleaning up old curses for several years now, for instance. I wish I could do the same for him, I truly do--I'd do it in a heartbeat. But one of the strong attitudes I've come up against fairly often in the Pagan community is that I should take care of my own needs, be independent and self-reliant, never ask for help unless I'm desperate... the easiest example is the one about charged candles, the kind you buy with the blessing or spell worked into them by the maker. I've actually been told that's laziness, that a "real" witch should never need that; I've even been told that using a candle someone else charged would "contaminate" my working.

But what if the person who charged the candle I want to buy is actually very highly skilled, more skilled than I am? Why would it be lazy or wrong to make use of that kind of help? Why would it be wrong to make use of any kind of help? I mean, MY first instinct is always to help others, so why would it would be wrong for others to help me?

I'm thinking you have the right of it, darlin; I'm thinking it is good to have others do at least some of this work. Thanks for getting me to think about it.

Originally Posted by foxyshaman

You may want to change what it is your doing. Its akin to an antibiotic, spirit, negative spirit can get resistant to what we are doing. Change it up and come at it from a different angle or use another technique. Perhaps you know someone, or even Gryph, who can do an extraction on your body. It may be that you have an attachment or two that is stopping the work. Another set of eyes on your spiritual health cannot hurt at all.

I've been thinking about this and my first reaction was "but I don't know anything else!!" and my second reaction was, "but this IS something new." I've only been using this psychic cleansing technique for a month or so. Maybe you're right about the attachment, but I most sincerely hope not. I think I prefer to label the things "resistant to spiritual antibiotic, try spiritual antifungal next". Tea Tree Oil for the soul.

Originally Posted by foxyshaman

The guy's wife keeps putting the energy back the way it was, to make it feel the same as it always did. Nobody can un-curse the house as long as she insists on being tied to it, because she doesn't know she's doing it and she wouldn't understand or believe anyone who tried to explain it to her. All she knows is that she feels safer when everything around her feels like it always did, so she puts it back "in order" when anyone disturbs it.


It to me sounds like you are dealing with a suffering being.

Oh love, you have no idea. I think I will PM you with more details.

Originally Posted by foxyshaman

Now I am going to sound totally like a loon here, but bear with me. <cause seriously it won't be the first time I have seemed that way>

LOL!!! You and me both.

I had a case in January of a house that had been REPEATEDLY cleared. One priest even came to the house to do a memorial service, and it helped the house, but only a bit and for a very short period of time. I was asked to come in and see what i could sense. The first thing I did was compassionately depossess the woman who lived in the house. Then, this was a total first for me, I offered my body as the way to get the spirits out of the house... now I would never ever have done that if I did not have my partner with me and was sure she could get them outta me. The spirits who left through me, spoke their story and told what we were specifically to do to interrupt the ley lines so that the house was not on a "super highway" of traveling spirits. We came back two weeks later, did the follow up work. Called in our spirits and cleared the house one last time. Peace in the house. It was a very humbling experience, but it worked. Quiet house. First time quiet in many years

That is a fantastic story! I love that! And you, my dear are one DEDICATED shaman.

That House is on a Super Highway; we've worked hard to get all the portals closed and we still chase beings back where they belong all the time. We don't wish to change the ley lines, but it is our goal to get That House anchored well and truly as a place of stability. Our ghost is most welcome; she was Guardian of That House when she owned it and she has continued on as Guardian ever since. We love her very dearly.

Originally Posted by foxyshaman

The curse/being/unknown energy of the house you are referring to may well have attached itself to the Lady of the house. They are tricky tricky tricky beings and not to be underestimated. If you were fighting for your life (even if that is not what it really is) you would do anything. And so do they. I would suggest that the owners of the home google Betsy Bergstrom, and send her an email and ask if she has any students living in the area who can do this work. At this point they have nothing to lose. And you may be able to be a part of the healing ceremony and see some fascinating work done. Those are my thoughts.

The curse was put on by owners of the house who lost it in a foreclosure. I don't know too much more about it than what I've told you; I suppose I could trace it down but I know that would exhaust me beyond my limits right now (I haven't fully recovered yet). Gryph has had Allies working on it for several years but I told him to let it go; his energy is needed for so many other things. There's never enough of any of us to meet the crying need, yanno? And what Gryph does for the people around us is draining enough--no need to have him pour energy into what is clearly a losing cause. The cursed house has to be someone else's problem now.

I'll keep Betsy Bergstrom's name though, thank you!

Originally Posted by foxyshaman

We do have to figure out a way to get together. I think it would be divine to meet and share our collective knowledge. Put it out there, you never know what may come back!!

Have a wonderful day my sweet friend.

Lots of love

Foxy

I would be so happy just to visit with you! Although I suppose I'd be like a little kid, lol, "tell me a story! tell me another story!" You bring that out in me; I'm just utterly fascinated by the things you do.

Love to you!
Cath