OSAMA BINLADEN IS DEAD

Miss Scarlett · 05-02-2011, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DomnNC

I wouldn't count on it ensuring a quick exit from Afghanistan. We're fighting the Taliban there more than Osama, he was in Pakistan, they've known that a while now but because of the mountainous area there they were having difficulty finding him. They aren't going to drop their weapons and slink off now. I wouldn't hesitate to say we'll see more attacks for the revenge factor of it.

But, pardon me, WOOOOHOOOO!!!!

i agree and am holding my breath over here...they're not going to just lay down their weapons and surrender.

i wonder about who is going to take over his position now and fear that this person will likely be far more dangerous than Bin Laden on his best day.

Jess · 05-02-2011, 04:53 AM

I guess I am a cynic also... or else my inner conspiracy theorist has been jump started, but I find it a tad odd that no photos of his body have been released. When Saddam was located, the photos of him being taken into custody and while in custody were all over the world. His hanging was public and ran every two minutes on every news channel.
Bin Laden was the WORLD's most wanted terrorist, shot in the head, body recovered for DNA testing, buried at sea and no one had a cell with a camera? I think if they had time to do DNA research to confirm his identity, they would have had ample time to find a suitable photo of his corpse to release, because ( and I apologize for the cynicism) there is no way in hell those soldiers would not have taken photos of him. This is a HOORAH moment without a doubt, but I will probably reserve my celebration until I see the photos. It's kind of like the infamous "weapons of mass destruction" that weren't there. Bin Laden just feels like another boogeyman or scapegoat in our ongoing struggle with terrorism.

Maybe more shall be revealed in the days and weeks to come. I try to remain open minded, but I tend to prefer evidence. If this helps close a chapter for families and victims of the 9/11 attacks, then I am ever so grateful, because they have suffered far long enough. If it helps send a message to the next "Bin Laden" out there that they too, will be hunted down and killed then good!

morningstar55 · 05-02-2011, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Jess

I guess I am a cynic also... or else my inner conspiracy theorist has been jump started, but I find it a tad odd that no photos of his body have been released. When Saddam was located, the photos of him being taken into custody and while in custody were all over the world. His hanging was public and ran every two minutes on every news channel.
Bin Laden was the WORLD's most wanted terrorist, shot in the head, body recovered for DNA testing, buried at sea and no one had a cell with a camera? I think if they had time to do DNA research to confirm his identity, they would have had ample time to find a suitable photo of his corpse to release, because ( and I apologize for the cynicism) there is no way in hell those soldiers would not have taken photos of him. This is a HOORAH moment without a doubt, but I will probably reserve my celebration until I see the photos. It's kind of like the infamous "weapons of mass destruction" that weren't there. Bin Laden just feels like another boogeyman or scapegoat in our ongoing struggle with terrorism.

Maybe more shall be revealed in the days and weeks to come. I try to remain open minded, but I tend to prefer evidence. If this helps close a chapter for families and victims of the 9/11 attacks, then I am ever so grateful, because they have suffered far long enough. If it helps send a message to the next "Bin Laden" out there that they too, will be hunted down and killed then good!

i was thinking kinda the same thoughts...... didnt they say he was dead once before??? just sayin.......

SnackTime · 05-02-2011, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Jess

I guess I am a cynic also... or else my inner conspiracy theorist has been jump started, but I find it a tad odd that no photos of his body have been released. When Saddam was located, the photos of him being taken into custody and while in custody were all over the world. His hanging was public and ran every two minutes on every news channel.
Bin Laden was the WORLD's most wanted terrorist, shot in the head, body recovered for DNA testing, buried at sea and no one had a cell with a camera? I think if they had time to do DNA research to confirm his identity, they would have had ample time to find a suitable photo of his corpse to release, because ( and I apologize for the cynicism) there is no way in hell those soldiers would not have taken photos of him. This is a HOORAH moment without a doubt, but I will probably reserve my celebration until I see the photos. It's kind of like the infamous "weapons of mass destruction" that weren't there. Bin Laden just feels like another boogeyman or scapegoat in our ongoing struggle with terrorism.

Maybe more shall be revealed in the days and weeks to come. I try to remain open minded, but I tend to prefer evidence. If this helps close a chapter for families and victims of the 9/11 attacks, then I am ever so grateful, because they have suffered far long enough. If it helps send a message to the next "Bin Laden" out there that they too, will be hunted down and killed then good!

I saw a picture of Bin Laden over on facebook (just a head shot). It was a lil gruesome. I also followed a link that had a split screen showing the man shot in the head and a previous photo of Bin Laden

I just heard a report on CNN that the DNA is being tested now.

Jess · 05-02-2011, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SnackTime

I saw a picture of Bin Laden over on facebook (just a head shot). It was a lil gruesome. I also followed a link that had a split screen showing the man shot in the head and a previous photo of Bin Laden

I just heard a report on CNN that the DNA is being tested now.

Yeah, I hadn't heard about any of this until I woke up today and thus far the story keeps changing and revealing more as the morning progresses. I think it premature to form any "real" opinions about any of the "facts" until it has all had time to be processed.

I am quite sure that any photo of any human shot in the head would be gruesome.

Will just keep listening as things unfold.

girl_dee · 05-02-2011, 06:17 AM

Maybe I'm an optimist but I don't think the President would be stupid enough to lie about this, the biggest thing on the agenda.

I do find the timing very suspicious. Hell the guy was living in a mansion on the outskirts of Pakistan.

AtLast · 05-02-2011, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jess

Yeah, I hadn't heard about any of this until I woke up today and thus far the story keeps changing and revealing more as the morning progresses. I think it premature to form any "real" opinions about any of the "facts" until it has all had time to be processed.

I am quite sure that any photo of any human shot in the head would be gruesome.

Will just keep listening as things unfold.

I'm with you- as usual, reporting and source checking via all of the news networks is on rapid fire. There is a lot we do not know about yet. But, you can bet there will people that doubt every single thing about this- there always is. Photo rigging, the timing in terms of political gain, etc. The fact is that we do not get the details of every step in these kinds of situations.

Like you- I can wait for some information that isn't mixed in the heat of the moment. But, the na-sayers will say nay... the level of distrust about government in the US today runs deep. Some of it, I understand, some of it I don't- some is irrational.

Yup.... taking my time with allowing things to unfold. I do absolutely believe he is dead and I am much more interested in the Pakistan factor in why he was where he was for so long. But, have to wait for the goods on that, too. But it does bother me that people are bashing the US government, military and Obama, but are not questioning Pakistan's role in why the hell he was 5 miles from their highest military training academy and 35 miles from their capital.

Rook · 05-02-2011, 06:18 AM

I don't mean to rain on folks parade, much less piss in the collective Wheaties...
This is my opinion...
What if said "snake" is a Hydra?...
Cut off one head, 3 more shoot up, and no I do not agree with the analogy of a Presidential assassination for that very reason..There IS such a thing as Presidential line of Succession...
Mr. President died? Ok Mr. Vice-Prez takes over, they shot him too?? Ok, NEXT.....
I too am glad there's one less Terrorist, however I will agree with a few in saying this was a very very public Headhunting expedition for a very long time, and they claim they "Buried" his ass in the Ocean in accordance to supposed Islamic Laws?
Are you aware that there's no such thing as dumping a dead corpse in the Ocean being mandatory funeral service?...
Yes, the corpse must be washed. by Loved ones, it also must be enshrouded in pure cotton, and returned to the EARTH within 24 hrs, quite similar in reasons as Judaic mandates.
When I heard the Ocean deal, 2 things popped up in my head
a-} This will be fodder for skeptics and conspiracy theorists galore [like another poster here]
-&-
b-} All these years, hunting that little prick, starting wars, killing civilians left and right and of course Service men and women..and they dump his fucking body rather quickly in the Ocean after a covert Shoot-out in a Country that has had the U.S. of A stepping on eggshells for years???
It's kind of fishy, hell I even thought "Well, maybe the SEALS in their pissed off hyperness just Threw him overboard to be done with the headache"..
But then, where's the Proof of either capture, death or Success, other than their "solemn" word....
Someone even pointed out it could be a Double for Osama, I kind of doubt it, Obama did say after quite some time of verifying stuff, he gave the "ok", and yes I'm aware Obamas public rating is in the floor for quite a few reasons...
One of them is people expected him to be mr. superman-fix-it-all-NOW, apparently ignoring the fact a President can't do much w/o Congress...
My final pet peeve is, do you remember when 9/11 occured? I'm more than sure that is ingrained in our memories like a very bad nightmare come true.
When they broadcast all those Peasants, all of those "anti-Amrikan" muslims in faraway Countries...Singing and Dancing...
The bitter sting of being disrespected in such a way that many americans commited quite a few hate crimes by Attacking anyone remotely Identified with either Islam, or the stereotype of Islam...
Who's to say those people on tv, singing and dancing..
Chanting U.S.A as if we were in the Olympics and winning Gold medals, don't provoke the exact same bitterness in other Countries that quite seriously detest U.S. Policies on "helping" other countries?...
We should've been the Better Man, it's great we're pleased there's closure for those victims Families, but we should've done our own "praising" without throwing a very visible Party over the Death of a very dangerous man who lead a very Fanatic terrorist Faction.
They did worse? Ok, true..
But, like my momma always asked..
"If your friends Jumped off the fucking bridge, u gonna do it too?"

Again, just my 2cents

Julie · 05-02-2011, 06:43 AM

why wouldn't the president lie about this? Presidents lie about simple things, such as blow jobs. If you can lie about something relatively mundane, you lie about something big.

And burial at sea? Serious - Is anybody really buying this? We killed a man (a bad man) and that is against Muslim law, yet we bury him at sea. They did not want his place to be a public shrine?

And if this is true, we in fact did kill him - what do you think his people are going to do now? Of course they have been planning for years what to do next - BUT - these are angry people without logic, who base their decisions on a religion which has been fabricated for Jihad (the Koran does not teach this). Do not for a second think we are safe. Now, it is much worse - if we were at an orange danger, expect a red.

Their leader has been killed. The man they worship as a god. And we are dancing in the streets.
Might as well put a big pink target on us.

God Bless America?!? Are you kidding, America is going to need more than a blessing.

Sleep Tight People!
Julie

Kobi · 05-02-2011, 06:09 AM

I agree with Jess tho for a different reason. Pictures can be doctored.

DNA is a different story.

Somehow, my cynical brain, is having trouble wrapping itself around an operation that supposedly occurred yesterday. Did the elite commandos bring a dna lab and expert with them? Does the USA have a way to speed up the generation of a dna profile that by conservative estimates takes 7-14 days to cook, and additional time to interpret? I'm not even going to ask who's DNA we compared his to determine it was indeed Bin Laden.

And, then we conveniently buried him at sea, so we wouldn't violate Islamic burial law? The number one thorn in the side of the country is found and killed after a decade long pursuit and we took pains to not violate Islamic law?

In my mind, it is not plausible or logical. It will be interesting to see what develops or doesnt develop over the coming weeks.

As for how this reflects on Obama.....again, in my cynical mind, it does nothing to sure up his credibility or enhance his electability. It actually has the opposite effect given the context of the week he has had.

First, he decides to try and silence the "birthers" by releasing his long form birth certificate. Then he goes on the defensive against the rantings of The Donald. The quarterly earnings reports are coming out which will reflect on the strength or lack thereof of this economic recovery admidst the skyrocketing price of oil. The country is being ravaged by killer tornados.

The timing is interesting. And Kobi doesnt believe in coincidences.

Plus, it seems odd that we didnt up the terror alert status or extend warnings
to Americans traveling abroad in light of this. Retaliation is inevitable.

05-02-2011, 06:18 AM	#8
Rook Senior Member How Do You Identify?: A.G - Stone Butch - GenderFuck Preferred Pronoun?: Hym, Hyz...or, just b respectable, it's not that hard.. Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Columbus Posts: 2,280 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 2,227 Thanked 3,182 Times in 1,287 Posts Rep Power: 21474855	I don't mean to rain on folks parade, much less piss in the collective Wheaties... This is my opinion... What if said "snake" is a Hydra?... Cut off one head, 3 more shoot up, and no I do not agree with the analogy of a Presidential assassination for that very reason..There IS such a thing as Presidential line of Succession... Mr. President died? Ok Mr. Vice-Prez takes over, they shot him too?? Ok, NEXT..... I too am glad there's one less Terrorist, however I will agree with a few in saying this was a very very public Headhunting expedition for a very long time, and they claim they "Buried" his ass in the Ocean in accordance to supposed Islamic Laws? Are you aware that there's no such thing as dumping a dead corpse in the Ocean being mandatory funeral service?... Yes, the corpse must be washed. by Loved ones, it also must be enshrouded in pure cotton, and returned to the EARTH within 24 hrs, quite similar in reasons as Judaic mandates. When I heard the Ocean deal, 2 things popped up in my head a-} This will be fodder for skeptics and conspiracy theorists galore [like another poster here] -&- b-} All these years, hunting that little prick, starting wars, killing civilians left and right and of course Service men and women..and they dump his fucking body rather quickly in the Ocean after a covert Shoot-out in a Country that has had the U.S. of A stepping on eggshells for years??? It's kind of fishy, hell I even thought "Well, maybe the SEALS in their pissed off hyperness just Threw him overboard to be done with the headache".. But then, where's the Proof of either capture, death or Success, other than their "solemn" word.... Someone even pointed out it could be a Double for Osama, I kind of doubt it, Obama did say after quite some time of verifying stuff, he gave the "ok", and yes I'm aware Obamas public rating is in the floor for quite a few reasons... One of them is people expected him to be mr. superman-fix-it-all-NOW, apparently ignoring the fact a President can't do much w/o Congress... My final pet peeve is, do you remember when 9/11 occured? I'm more than sure that is ingrained in our memories like a very bad nightmare come true. When they broadcast all those Peasants, all of those "anti-Amrikan" muslims in faraway Countries...Singing and Dancing... The bitter sting of being disrespected in such a way that many americans commited quite a few hate crimes by Attacking anyone remotely Identified with either Islam, or the stereotype of Islam... Who's to say those people on tv, singing and dancing.. Chanting U.S.A as if we were in the Olympics and winning Gold medals, don't provoke the exact same bitterness in other Countries that quite seriously detest U.S. Policies on "helping" other countries?... We should've been the Better Man, it's great we're pleased there's closure for those victims Families, but we should've done our own "praising" without throwing a very visible Party over the Death of a very dangerous man who lead a very Fanatic terrorist Faction. They did worse? Ok, true.. But, like my momma always asked.. "If your friends Jumped off the fucking bridge, u gonna do it too?" Again, just my 2cents __________________

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05-02-2011, 06:09 AM	#10
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05-02-2011, 04:53 AM	#2
Jess Timed Out - Permanent How Do You Identify?: decidedly indifferent Preferred Pronoun?: other Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Patrick Springs, VA Posts: 2,812 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 9,247 Thanked 5,700 Times in 1,682 Posts Rep Power: 0	I guess I am a cynic also... or else my inner conspiracy theorist has been jump started, but I find it a tad odd that no photos of his body have been released. When Saddam was located, the photos of him being taken into custody and while in custody were all over the world. His hanging was public and ran every two minutes on every news channel. Bin Laden was the WORLD's most wanted terrorist, shot in the head, body recovered for DNA testing, buried at sea and no one had a cell with a camera? I think if they had time to do DNA research to confirm his identity, they would have had ample time to find a suitable photo of his corpse to release, because ( and I apologize for the cynicism) there is no way in hell those soldiers would not have taken photos of him. This is a HOORAH moment without a doubt, but I will probably reserve my celebration until I see the photos. It's kind of like the infamous "weapons of mass destruction" that weren't there. Bin Laden just feels like another boogeyman or scapegoat in our ongoing struggle with terrorism. Maybe more shall be revealed in the days and weeks to come. I try to remain open minded, but I tend to prefer evidence. If this helps close a chapter for families and victims of the 9/11 attacks, then I am ever so grateful, because they have suffered far long enough. If it helps send a message to the next "Bin Laden" out there that they too, will be hunted down and killed then good!

05-02-2011, 06:17 AM	#6
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