2012 US General Election Discussions: Start to Finish

dreadgeek · 06-09-2011, 02:21 PM

So there has been a mass exodus from Newt "Legend in his own mind" Gingrich's campaign. I think we can now officially take his campaign off the bbq, it's done.

Corkey · 06-09-2011, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dreadgeek

So there has been a mass exodus from Newt "Legend in his own mind" Gingrich's campaign. I think we can now officially take his campaign off the bbq, it's done.

I'd love to stick a fork in him, but the crap he's full of might explode all ovah!

dreadgeek · 06-09-2011, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Corkey

I'd love to stick a fork in him, but the crap he's full of might explode all ovah!

I'm waiting for him to jump up and claim that with this mass exodus of staff, he has the rest of the GOP field right where he wants them.

06-09-2011, 03:38 PM

Ignorant Brit alert!

What's a GOP?

dreadgeek · 06-09-2011, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Incubus

Ignorant Brit alert!

What's a GOP?

GOP = Grand Old Party = Republican Party

Vanessa Emma Goldman · 08-05-2011, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dreadgeek

GOP = Grand Old Party = Republican Party

or as i prefer to call them: Greedy Old Patriarchs!

unfortunately, the Demos are not much better especially when it comes to taking bribes from, and then being indebted to, Big Corporate Capitalism. i voted for Ralph Nader in 2000, took a lot of crap for it from other left of center people, and so held my nose and voted for Demos at the top of the ticket (USA President or Michigan Governor depending on the year). and i continue to be horribly disappointed, both by President Obama and by former Michigan Governor Granholm.

so once again i am debating whether to keep voting for the Evil of Two Lessers Democrats, or just say to hell with them and vote strictly for Greens, Socialists, or other real progressives who do not take bribes from the top one percent. and i am leaning heavily towards the Green/Socialist/other real progressives option. yes, i know, they probably won't win and maybe Repubs will end up winning. but even when Demos do win, it seems like the real winners end up being the Greedy Old Patriarchs.

dreadgeek · 08-05-2011, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanessa Emma Goldman

or as i prefer to call them: Greedy Old Patriarchs!

unfortunately, the Demos are not much better especially when it comes to taking bribes from, and then being indebted to, Big Corporate Capitalism. i voted for Ralph Nader in 2000, took a lot of crap for it from other left of center people, and so held my nose and voted for Demos at the top of the ticket (USA President or Michigan Governor depending on the year). and i continue to be horribly disappointed, both by President Obama and by former Michigan Governor Granholm.

so once again i am debating whether to keep voting for the Evil of Two Lessers Democrats, or just say to hell with them and vote strictly for Greens, Socialists, or other real progressives who do not take bribes from the top one percent. and i am leaning heavily towards the Green/Socialist/other real progressives option. yes, i know, they probably won't win and maybe Repubs will end up winning. but even when Demos do win, it seems like the real winners end up being the Greedy Old Patriarchs.

I had, largely, stopped voting Democratic in the 90s. I did vote for Clinton in '92 (my first ever vote for a Democrat, I voted Republican in 88 and would have done the same in 84 had I been 18) but in '96 and 2000 I voted Green. IF the GOP were not complete enthrall to a radical pseudo-libertarian ideology that covered up some theocratic memes, I would probably vote for a third party. The problem is that, at this point, the choice is no longer between the lesser of two evils but between a feckless but generally well-intentioned party (the Democrats) and an effective but generally malevolent party that appears, taking them at their word, to be trying to bring about a plutocratic theocracy.

It is not that I think the GOP elites--the old-money elites--want a theocracy. I don't believe they do--a robber-baron plutocracy but not a theocracy. The GOP base, on the other hand, does want a theocracy. If the GOP elites had the same relationship to their base as the Democratic elites have to theirs, that might not be so worrisome. The problem is that the relationships are fundamentally different. The GOP elites fear their base, the Democrats hate their base. Ultimately, this means that in the long run the GOP will try to substantially appease their base by moving their agenda down the road a bit while the Democratic party will try to simply convince their base that they are on their side while not actually trying to move the agenda anywhere.

Cheers
Aj

*Anya* · 08-06-2011, 08:32 AM

News this AM: per US Dept. Of Agriculture latest stats, 45.8% of Americans now on food stamps-the highest number ever. This is a 70% increase since 2007.

In the United States of America. This is a tragedy.

And The Band Played On~

(Randy Shilts, book of same name)

AtLast · 08-06-2011, 08:50 AM

I know I am thinking deeply about 2012 and how I will most likely be voting differently- both Aj and Kobi bring up variables I need to consider. I left the Democratic Party prior to 2008 (registered without party affiliation after being registered with the Green Party). I think I have been sobered of late and frankly will vote more for realistic goals than any party platform be as it may re- if a GOP candidate best fits for me, they will get my vote and the same for a Democrat, Green Party, etc. candidate).

Are other people feeling like their 2012 choices will be different?

dark_crystal · 10-05-2011, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by *Anya*

News this AM: per US Dept. Of Agriculture latest stats, 45.8% of Americans now on food stamps-the highest number ever. This is a 70% increase since 2007.

In the United States of America. This is a tragedy.

And The Band Played On~

(Randy Shilts, book of same name)

45.8 million for 15% but still outrageous

AtLast · 06-09-2011, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Corkey

I'd love to stick a fork in him, but the crap he's full of might explode all ovah!

A Huff Post analyst said today (on MSNBC) that Ginrich only really wants to be in the debates to "show off," not really run for president! had to laugh- does he really believe that many people just want to listen to him? His ego amazes me.

Had to add that Rush Limbaugh went after Romney for agreeing that science is right about global warming and we need to decrease greenhouse gases! Can't have any science "believers" in the White House, yanno...

UofMfan · 08-26-2012, 09:11 AM

homoe · 08-27-2012, 04:09 PM

A thing that scares me is that Jeb Bush seems to be everywhere these days! We hadn't seen him since he left office as Gov of Fl. If Romney loses in 2012 will the NRP look to Jeb in 2016?

Toughy · 08-28-2012, 01:31 PM

Anybody watching the Republican convention.....I'm gonna try. Interesting blog in The Nation

http://www.thenation.com/blog/169595...xtraordinaire#

RNC Schedule: Tokenism Extraordinaire

Ben Adler on August 28, 2012 - 1:36 PM ET

Tampa—Most Republicans oppose affirmative action, but their national convention is the apotheosis of the practice at its most tokenistic and least substantive. Whereas Democrats and liberals support policies that are meant to actually assist disadvantaged groups as a whole and to protect them from discrimination, Republicans have no interest in women or minorities except as window dressing for their discriminatory policies. It would be insulting for them to think it will actually work. In fairness, Republicans probably know they will not actually move many African-American or Latino votes by putting a handful of non-white speakers on the dais in Tampa. Rather, it is part of Mitt Romney’s general election strategy of the ricochet pander. Like his speech at the NAACP, the purpose is not to appeal to minorities but to socially moderate white suburban swing voters who want to be reassured that pulling the lever for the GOP does not make them bigots.
<snip>

homoe · 08-28-2012, 02:33 PM

Yes, I am dying to see what that asinine and tackless Chris Christie has to say tonight!

BullDog · 08-28-2012, 03:35 PM

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Yes, I am dying to see what that asinine and tackless Chris Christie has to say tonight!

He's supposed to be their charismatic star? He looks and sounds like a used car salesman.

AtLast · 06-10-2011, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by dreadgeek

So there has been a mass exodus from Newt "Legend in his own mind" Gingrich's campaign. I think we can now officially take his campaign off the bbq, it's done.

You have a very good point! It looks like he is going to be at the GOP debate on Monday, however. Guess he has to keep his mug out there to continue getting speaking gigs!

I have to admit that it might be fun to see Ginrich debate Obama. Gawd, I hope to hell that the GOP nominee turns out to at least be someone that we all actually would want to watch debate Obama. The idea of Romney or T-Paw debating him is not very exciting. I know, I am a politics junkie. What's an old fart 60's activist gonna do!

I keep having the feling that any of the possible GOP candidates that could have general election viability and some personality traits that might move people are just waiting until 2016 to run.

AtLast · 06-21-2011, 05:55 AM

So, will Rick Perry join in? This weekend I saw clips of him at the big conservative shin-dig (can't think of the name) and I thought- "A Bush carbon copy."

Oh, that's Jeb.... who I imagine will be a candidate sometime in the near future. As in 2016, AFTER Obama has served his second term.

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