Same-Sex Marriage Update

iamkeri1 · 06-22-2011, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by dreadgeek

My hope is that next year, with the Tea Party pulling the GOP to the extreme fiscal right and the religious right pulling it to the extreme social right, the coalition will tear itself apart in the aftermath of a humiliating loss.

Cheers
Aj

From your lips to the goddess ears!
Smooches,
Keri

MsTinkerbelly · 06-22-2011, 12:43 PM

Has anyone heard what is happening with the vote in New York?

iamkeri1 · 06-23-2011, 05:11 PM

Watching MSNBC - still no vote.
Biting my finger nails!
Smooches,
Keri

Jess · 06-23-2011, 05:41 PM

Obama speaks at NY Gay fundraiser tonight.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=137359508

MsTinkerbelly · 06-24-2011, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jess

Obama speaks at NY Gay fundraiser tonight.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=137359508

I understand that President Obama has done what he can do with the Gay rights issues...he cannot "make laws", and change things alone.

That being said, he has been a HUGE disappointment to me on the issue of Same-sex marriage. I can get how you would be on the fence about it, and then "see the light" and want to fight for equality, but to one day be for it and then crawl back into the "I think marriage should be one man and one woman" hole because it is a more "popular" view point and you want to get re-elected....he won't get my vote this time.

But that is just my viewpoint.

Toughy · 06-24-2011, 10:34 AM

Anytime someone says that Obama will not get their vote again a thought runs through my head: Who in the hell are you gonna vote for then??????

If the response is I'm not gonna vote for anyone, I think about the duty and obligation of a citizen to vote.

And I flat out do not understand why anyone votes for Republicans. They seem to be a party of hate and greed.

Obama did say last night: "Ever since I have a memory about what my mother taught me, and my grandparents taught me, I believed that discriminating against people was wrong. I believed that discrimination because of somebody's sexual orientation or gender identity ran counter to who we are as a people, and it's a violation of the basic tenets on which this nation was founded. I believe that gay couples deserve the same legal rights as every other couple in this country."

I will see in my lifetime gays serving openly in the military and having the right to a civil marriage. It will happen under Obama and probably in his 2nd term. If a Republican is elected President and/or gains control of both Houses in 2012, I would bet my life neither will happen.

iamkeri1 · 06-24-2011, 02:47 PM

In 1967, when I was a sophomore in college, the State of Virginia's anti-miscegenation statute was overturned by the US Supreme Court in Virginia v Loving http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia

This case overturned centuries US law and custom forbidding white people from marrying people of another race or mix of races. Though many states had already overturned this practice, this Federal decision brought an end to this practise throughout the entire USA.

In February 1961, when President Obama's white mother married his Kenyan father, there were many states in which this union would not only have been illegal, but criminal. (remember when homosexuality was illegal?)

State by State solutions did not work for inter-racial couples There will always be some states who will hold to a ----ist law because it supports local prejudice or perhaps strong business interests.

This is where I get angry with the president. He has lived through this shit. He has faced discrimination. He has seen the laws change in his favor and has accomplished much as a result of these legal changes. It has been well established over decades that civil rights are just that, rights. They are not subject to legislation or a vote of the people.
Why is be falling back on that old !@#$% of State by State solution? It didn't work for poc. It didn't work for women. It isn't going to work for queer folk. Also it is angry-fying that he has backtracked on his position since he ran for office.

A logical outgrowth of the opinion he currently holds would be to promote a policy that has been under discussion for some time.

1) ALL joinings of couples/groups; homo, hetero, inter-species, whatever, should take place in a legal setting like a courthouse or justice of the peace. We should pick a name for them ... union, committment ceremony, hand-fasting, etc. A contract should be drawn up stating the terms of the joining which will form the legal basis for the couples relationship. All legal rights should accrue from THIS contract.
2) "Marriage" should be the province of religious groups. They can marry or not marry whom they wish. If people wish to continue to fight with their churches to be able to marry, that would be fine. Meanwhile they will have legal rights.

And yah, it sucks that there is no other choice for voting purposes. What we have now is a choice between lukewarm, packpeddaling, support, and the utter outrage of the current republican party.
Smooches,
Keri

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iamkeri1 Member How Do You Identify?: femme woman Preferred Pronoun?: she Relationship Status: solo Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 905 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 302 Thanked 2,152 Times in 659 Posts Rep Power: 16642920	In 1967, when I was a sophomore in college, the State of Virginia's anti-miscegenation statute was overturned by the US Supreme Court in Virginia v Loving http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia This case overturned centuries US law and custom forbidding white people from marrying people of another race or mix of races. Though many states had already overturned this practice, this Federal decision brought an end to this practise throughout the entire USA. In February 1961, when President Obama's white mother married his Kenyan father, there were many states in which this union would not only have been illegal, but criminal. (remember when homosexuality was illegal?) State by State solutions did not work for inter-racial couples There will always be some states who will hold to a ----ist law because it supports local prejudice or perhaps strong business interests. This is where I get angry with the president. He has lived through this shit. He has faced discrimination. He has seen the laws change in his favor and has accomplished much as a result of these legal changes. It has been well established over decades that civil rights are just that, rights. They are not subject to legislation or a vote of the people. Why is be falling back on that old !@#$% of State by State solution? It didn't work for poc. It didn't work for women. It isn't going to work for queer folk. Also it is angry-fying that he has backtracked on his position since he ran for office. A logical outgrowth of the opinion he currently holds would be to promote a policy that has been under discussion for some time. 1) ALL joinings of couples/groups; homo, hetero, inter-species, whatever, should take place in a legal setting like a courthouse or justice of the peace. We should pick a name for them ... union, committment ceremony, hand-fasting, etc. A contract should be drawn up stating the terms of the joining which will form the legal basis for the couples relationship. All legal rights should accrue from THIS contract. 2) "Marriage" should be the province of religious groups. They can marry or not marry whom they wish. If people wish to continue to fight with their churches to be able to marry, that would be fine. Meanwhile they will have legal rights. And yah, it sucks that there is no other choice for voting purposes. What we have now is a choice between lukewarm, packpeddaling, support, and the utter outrage of the current republican party. Smooches, Keri