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Hmm.... So in this case, TSA and "real security" let him by? Great.
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And maybe you could touch on why TSA type security is necessary for passengers on railroad and buses when any terrorist action would be more effective in larger venues or used on the tracks and roads rather than the vehicle. I appreciate any insight you have to offer. Andrea
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I'm not sure who you are talking to Andrea, if it is me, (since you quoted me) I will respectfully bow out of this conversation.
I can not continue as I stated very early in the thread. However, you have done a good job with providing links and info. It was you who mentioned VIPR. Maybe you'd like to expound. I'm out of this.
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I think if people are going to be angry, they should be angry at the world politics and cultural movements that have placed us in this situation to begin with. We must do what we can to protect our citizens, even if that system is flawed, its still better than none at all. I would rather spend my time in airport security, with its lopsided methods that might reduce the possibility of my being blown out of the sky, than not do anything preventative. I also feel the whole system needs to be reworked given the fact that this is going to be our way of life from now on. The world has changed and we must change with it.
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I've noticed, on a few threads, that people are kind of, um, touchy today....
Anyway, Yellow Band's brief outline of the difference btwn TSA and what we're referring to as "real" security makes very good sense to me. I have no objective data to shore it up, but it seems logical: TSA is the "security theater"--it is there precisely to make people aware that they can't bring potentiallly dangerous stuff onto an airplane. This is particularly relevant in the cases YB pointed out: with wannabes, and copycats. Oh, and assholes. I would add, assholes. "Real Security" is looking for organized terrorist incidents, involving bombs, hijackings, bio attacks, etc. And I can see how it would be ineffective, not to say 'dumb,' if they were obvious. Andrea, if you look back at earlier posts abotu this, you'll see this mentioned. I don't know, but do you think it's not plausible sounding?
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It is not my desire to argue with you (the collective you). I am really curious why we (the collective we) are okay with anything for security regarding travel but we are not up in arms regarding other issues that are far more common and have far more people dying. Andrea
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In the sense that the very presence and the practices of the uniformed TSA officers can in many cases deter dangerous materials on a plane, and the more simplistic "terrorists" (i.e., wannabe's, copycats, etc.), then what is there has to work to some degree. I don't know how anyone could dispute that.
Let me try to be clearer: the visibility helps.
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Let me try to be clearer: the visibility helps.
Imagine if you walked up with a boarding pass you printed out at home, and right onto an aircraft. No checks. You don't think a few people might be more likely to bring dangerous things with them, and be bad enough or nuts enough to do something with it? You don't think checking their carry-on--even the threat of checking their carry-on--has any deterrent effect? If you think that's not a good point, then you're right. We disagree.
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As to people using things to do something inappropriate on the plane... I believe someone wanting to cause trouble will find a way to do so with or without things considered dangerous. Please understand that I am not against security and I believe some level is appropriate and helpful. I am just questioning if the current level of security is appropriate and/or necessary, or should there be less or should there be more. And shouldn't we also be checking others who may have an opportunity to place dangerous items where bad people can get them. Are you aware that pilots are not required to go through TSA security? Are you aware that many airports do not require airport employees or TSA employees to go through security? If a bad guy wanted to bribe or blackmail someone to place a dangerous object (gun, knife...), wouldn't it make more sense to select someone who has unfettered access than hope to carry one on board yourself? Tapu, thank you for giving me the opportunity to air some of my thoughts. I appreciate the exchange. Andrea
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I am sorry to hear you have been touched by drunk drivers. It was not my intention to trigger unpleasant memories. Thank you for being willing to engage. Andrea
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