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there is way too much assuming going on in this thread. children aren't allowed at furry conventions. kink is not always sexual. it sounds like somebody is trying to equate pedophilia with furry and that is just not right. holy mother of the cow people can we at least try and not allow our personal hardships interfere with the topic itself.
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Believe me, I'm the last person to condemn a fetish. Ha, I laugh at other people's fetishes. I couldn't even tell you mine!
Safe fetishes are fine besides, even if they weren't, what could the fetishist do about it? (Don't go there.) Furries are fine by me. They can eat at my table, sleep in the extra room, hell, they could probably get sick in the back of my car, I wouldn't even be mad. But if they want to go to my son's dance performance with us, they're going to have to chill. Just like I wouldn't go there doing.... er, never mind.
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I have first hand experience, that led me to reporting the event to the appropriate authorities, that teens between the ages of 16-18 were allowed at an East Coast Furry Convention. I have first hand knowledge of one 17 year old that was passed around as a toy within said convention and with this particular Furry group. I am not equating pedophilia with Furry when I made the statements about the Furry Porn targeting children. It's a fact... not an equation. I completely support the OP and the OP's plea for support and advice. |
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![]() ![]() Who are the furries? Lenya looks adorable, with lots of glossy white fur, black paws, a shiny pink nose and cute little pointed ears. But Lenya is also a 48-year-old computer network administrator called Marshall Woods, who likes motor racing, visiting museums and reading crime novels in his spare time. Mr Woods is what is known as a furry and Lenya is a "fursona" he has created, which he described as a "sort of space weasel". As part of getting into character he wears a handmade, full-size fursuit. Furry Fandom, furrydom, furdom - it's called many things - has momentarily found itself in the spotlight in the UK, due to a court case where the two defendants met on a furry website. It is a largely unknown scene and participants have been happy to keep it that way, feeling they are often misunderstood. So what is a furry? No standard definition exists but generally furries are people who have a fascination with anthropomorphic animals. These are animals that are given human traits, like walking and talking. They can be anything from cartoons characters like Bugs Bunny to computer game personalities like Pokemon. The scene has its own art, animation, comic books and literature, but activities are largely conducted online - where furries adopt "fursonas" for role playing. But for some it is about meeting other furries in person. Groups around the world meet regularly and there are conventions in the US, UK, Germany, Mexico, France, Russia and Brazil. Petting and scratching Furries say the scene is about creativity, freedom and community; being who you want to be among like-minded people. "You get to choose what and who you are. Imagination is OK, no matter what your age," says Mark Merlino, a founding member of the furry culture in the US and known as Sylys Sable on the scene. But, inevitably perhaps, there's a sexual element too. In a recent court case in the UK, two men who met on a furry website, and shared sexual role-playing fantasies, were convicted of plotting to kill one of the pair's adoptive parents. Christopher Monks, from Lancashire, and Shaun Skarnes, from Cheshire, were found guilty of meticulously preparing the killings via the internet. They are currently awaiting sentence. Furries will not thank the pair for casting their hobby in a negative light, and tend to argue the sexual side is hugely overplayed. "I think the problem is that sex sells," says Ian Wolf (his furry pseudonym), who is editor of the British furry news website, FurteanTimes.com. "It is not surprising that less scrupulous journalists like to print stories about people having sex dressed as foxes." Some furries assume animal traits - known as zoomorphism - and indentify strongly with certain species. This can range from adopting an online persona to wearing a tail or full-sized fur suits like Mr Woods. Exhilarating "Fursuiters", as they are called, bemoan society's inhibitions and look admiring at the animal kingdom where creatures have more freedom to be expressive. Touching, petting, hugging and "skritching" (lightly scratching and grooming) is common at social gatherings. And most do not remove their costumes in public areas, to prevent breaking the illusion. "There's a magic moment when you put a costume on and see yourself in the mirror," says Mr Woods. "It's simultaneously disorienting and exhilarating. You actually do feel that you've changed for just a moment." Anthrozoologist, Kathy Gerbasi, who studies human-animal interactions and furries, has witnessed furry interaction first-hand. "People say that being in a fur suit allows you to do things you might not otherwise do, like dance in public, clown around, give people a hug," she says. She argues furries are just taking something that most of us do a few steps further. "I think most humans grow up interested in animals. We grow up with teddy bears, pets, Mickey Mouse, etc. Animals surround us in advertisements, nature, stories and fables. "Humans tend to anthropomorphise as a way of understanding and interpreting the world around us. Furries just take this interest a bit further than most people." ut a small minority take it further still - believing they are animals trapped in human bodies, or consider themselves to be part animal. A study by Ms Gerbasi at one furry convention found about a quarter of the participants did not consider themselves 100% human. She is currently researching this in relation to gender identity disorder, when people feel they are the wrong sex and trapped in the wrong body. She says currently unpublished data supports the hypothesis that there are similarities. She is calling it species identity disorder. 'Mystified' Feeling you are part-animal is unusual, she admits, although "for most, the furry fandom is a hobby and like Star Trek fans or such". Of course, there's nothing new about people donning animal costumes for a spot of fun. But Furryism, as a pursuit in its own right, grew out of science fiction and comic book conventions in the 1980s, says furry historian Fred Patten. Small room parties were held at such events in the UK and US for fans of animated cartoons with animal characters. But it really came of age with the internet in the 1990s and today is an internet community first and foremost, says Mr Merlino. Conventions are held around the world and some have attracted have up to 3,000 furries. In the UK the scene is very active, says Mr Wolf. There are locals groups and two annual conventions, in London and Manchester, with another planned for Inverness. For a long time it was a male-dominated scene, but many more women are now involved. "There are still way more male furries than female ones, but the number of girls is growing slowly," says furry artist TaniDaReal (her furry pseudonym), a 29-year-old media designer from Germany. Mystified' "On art galleries, I'd say the gender ratio is pretty balanced. A lot of the furry artists are female." Very little research has been done on the furry world. This is probably because many behavioural scientists are not really aware of their existence, says Ms Gerbasi. When I presented an interactive session at an identity conference in 2007 people were mystified," she says. "If you tell people about furries they often think you are kidding or making it up. Also, due to bad publicity, furries have not been cooperative about being studied." Furries argue it is the persistent misconceptions about them that keeps the scene private. "The big misconception is that most furries are mainly obsessed with sex," says Mr Wolf. "While there is pornography in the fandom - 'yiff' as it is known - it is only a small part." So what do they say when someone thinks being a furry is weird? "I would say that we are just free thinkers who let our minds expand to create these weird and wonderful characters," says Mr Wolf. ![]() (note his tail is NOT a butt plug) >link<
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![]() But it does not dismiss my experience or my son's experience with The Furries. |
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I made a difference to at least two individuals here.... that's all that matters to me.
Life is a beautiful thing... we learn, we heal (sometimes) and we move on. We find those that support us and those that don't. That's acceptable to me. One can't always have 100% go their way all the time. To me, it's a beautiful thing when one of Our Members comes forward asking for support and advice on something that obviously upsets them.
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Sweet, I'm taking this in, but I think there is a point to be made that someone who has had experiences with homosexual pedophilia could come into a gay male thread about raising children and go on about how their own negative experience could not be denied to the degree that you are.
I support your efforts to warn the OP about relevant details you have knowledge of. I think you've established that there are sinister elements in the Furry culture, as there are in any segment of society deemed "alternative" or not.
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This is obviously a sensitive topic for some of our members. Be respectful in your exchanges even when it's obvious you are on different sides of the discussion.
We are starting to receive notes of concern about where this thread is going and the manner in which some of you are posting; we are asking you all to get back on track: the OP asked for help. Thinker (moderator)
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It is obvious that we are going to see opposing points of views regardless of the topic being discussed. It is obvious, too, that members have history. Our personal experiences (both here and outside of this community) play into how and what we post. We (mod/admin) are looking to have a place at the table for ALL where differences are celebrated rather than criticized. And, no, this isn't "Pollyanna bullsh*t". It's actually possible. And it's not just in this thread; it's discussions everywhere, even outside of the forums here at bfp.
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