Casey Anthony - guilty, or not?

[princessbelle]

Originally Posted by Kobi

princessbelle,

With all due respect, the woman was tried and found not guilty.

Even saying in your opinion that a "murderer was set free" is not healthy discourse. She was not proven to be a murderer. Saying she is one is deliberately inflammatory and drama provoking.

I have seen this dynamic run amok before under the guise of healthy discourse. I saw it when Michael Vick returned to the NFL and was praised by the President. Suddenly a man who was tried, convicted, and served his time needed to be raked over the coals in a very unnice way cuz people were disappointed with Obama's words on Vick.

I saw it with the "victims of the Superbowl". I saw it with bullying, saw it in "a site unexamined".

Ya'll have a thing for drama and anger. That isnt healthy discourse. Thats just drama and rage.

But we can agree to disagree.

Kobi,

I was truly trying to be considerate when i responded to you and stick to the thread's OP.

However, you are wrong. We don't have to agree on anything.

Our United States Judicial System must adhere to strict guidelines especially in capital murdur cases. Being found "not guilty" is not the same as being found innocent. Many times due to information being withheld from jurors over mistakes on obtaining evidence and so forth, jurors have caused many people to be sent to jail who were innocent as well as some that are free that are guilty. That, is a fact.

I believe this woman killed her child. I have that right to believe that. It is not drama provoking at all. It is MY opinion. There are lots of opinions here.

What is unhealthy is belittling MY opinion, accusing ME of unhealthy discourse and saying "ya'll" have a thing for anger and drama.

Pretty sure we were doing fine before you told "us" to take a deep breath and have calmer emotions. Pretty sure i don't need someone else to tell me how i feel. Pretty sure my emotions were and are in check.

I'm just upset at what happened today. If you don't agree with what i say, so be it. At this point, I truly don't give a flying fuck.

As far as what you just said trying to rip me a new one?

I did not deserve that.

VERY UNCOOL.

I'm done with this little blah blah...

On with the topic....

[Dude]

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If you're not outraged you're not paying attention.

[BullDog]

I do agree that our legal system- like all of our social institutions and culture- is racist. I have no doubt in mind that the way this case was discussed in the media would have been far different if the mother was a woman of color. The outcome of the case could have very well been different as well.

I do feel the jury was in a tough spot. The standard of Reasonable Doubt does need to be high to protect the innocent. People of color are also the most likely to be falsely accused of crimes.

I remember watching the O.J. Simpson case. I followed it quite closely. I was absolutely convinced he killed his former wife. To this day I don't understand how anyone could kill the mother of his children. However I also remember thinking to myself if I had been on that jury I don't know if I could have voted to convict him even though I was absolutely convinced he did kill her. There were too many holes in the case, too much evidence not handled properly, etc. It sounds like in this case there may have been too much reasonable doubt to convict her of first degree murder, but I also agree there should have been other charges other than first degree murder that she could have been charged with. I don't know what caused this. Several factors no doubt. I don't understand why she wasn't convicted of child abuse or manslaughter.

The Standard of Reasonable Doubt does get abused. On the murder trial I was on the man accused of murder had a rich father and he had two very talented attorneys. Weeks were spent going over this man's whole life story and how bad it had been for him. I think there should be limits to how much of a person's life story gets brought into play. We all have to be responsible adults, especially if we are the parent or guardian of a child.

Much of what goes on in a courtroom is actually quite theatrical. The cases don't come to trial for many months or many years. It's not hard for a talented attorney to cast doubt on what someone says on the witness stand. There's lots of back and forth between the attorneys which the jury is instructed to ignore. You can be in the courtroom for ten minutes and then told to leave and have that same thing happen several times in one day. It's all very choppy. Things are thrown out that you are supposed to pretend you didn't hear. Members of the jury are "courted" through eye contact, friendly smiles, etc. As a juror who is trying to do your job you just want to get down to the relevant facts. It can be quite frustrating.

I do think our legal system is quite flawed, but I have served on a jury and would do so again if called. I also vote. I do what I can. There are people in this world who do not have the legal and political rights that we have in the United States. As a white person I certainly do have rights and privileges that people of color do not have. I am not sure what can be done about our legal system. I do agree it is quite flawed, but part me still does believe in a jury system of some kind.

I do mourn for the loss of this child and for all children who are killed, harmed or neglected in any way. I support those who are expressing your outrage and grief. I do understand.