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Old 02-01-2010, 09:34 PM   #1
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I still live with my parents... ..lol...but, I have been banned from bringing home cats. Or any other kinda animals that I find. Of course it is kinda funny, cause now we have 3 cats that I never found. We have or Mama cat who came to us prego. We kept one from her first litter. She had like 4 more litters, then her 5th litter she had a grey kitten which she never had before. But it was kinda weird, cause we just had a grey cat who ran away or went to the woods and got beat up or something and was never seen again. So we kept the grey kitten. LOL, our family is real orginal though, we named her kit. So we have 7 cats with more kittens on the way and 3 dogs.
I really wished you would take into consideration spaying your cat. I know you mean well but it is appalling to many of us that spend countless hours rescueing animals --- over 6 million animals a year are euthanized. Please spay your cat. Allowing her to breed like this is irresponsible IMHO.

In many cities it is against the law to allow an animal in heat to roam free.

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This may work for your cat Kimbo.
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I have no clue what to give a sr. cat for joint care. Things you can do around the house is to put out a heating pad (on low) and put it under a towel and let your baby lay on that. Stop her from jumping up and down. Pick her up. My baby is elderly too. And I use a heating pad in the winter months. She loves it. As long as she is happy, Daddy is happy.

Ask your vet for something you could put in her water or sprinkle over her food. Pills are a no no for my elderly cat. It just is too much for her too.

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Thank you so much. Yes, Lucci does have a portion on my bed that I have put a big heating blanket out on. Both cats and my dog snuggle up there! He has been showing that he needs more warmth in winter and has actually been coming in much earlier as the day gets colder. He mostly hangs out in my backyard and keeps an eye out for anything that moves.

I will ask my vet about any supplements as I have to take both cats in for annual exams and some shots.

No, I can't oill him, too upsetting for him and he doesn't have many teeth left. But, overall, he is aging quite well which makes me very happy. Very playful and still very agile. I just want to give him anything that might help his joints as he continues to age. There are oddles of things out for dogs.


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I have no clue what to give a sr. cat for joint care. Things you can do around the house is to put out a heating pad (on low) and put it under a towel and let your baby lay on that. Stop her from jumping up and down. Pick her up. My baby is elderly too. And I use a heating pad in the winter months. She loves it. As long as she is happy, Daddy is happy.

Ask your vet for something you could put in her water or sprinkle over her food. Pills are a no no for my elderly cat. It just is too much for her too.

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Today at the meeting of commissioners –

I spoke briefly with the secretary to commissioners prior to 9:30 meeting, and asked her if the statistics would be on the agenda. She handed me a copy of the agenda, and there was nothing pertaining to the animal control shelter. Secretary told me the statistics would be available, and the chief animal control officer would be present next meeting on Tuesday- 9. Feb. 2010, at 9:30 A.M. I wasn’t sure if I could bring up the topic of the statistics anyhow, and secretary said that I could when the commissioner called for “wishes to be heard”. My goal was to get a word in about having an Animal Advisory Board established [like it used to be before the Chief AC Officer disbanded it years ago]. With an Advisory Board, a lot of great changes could take place.

The meeting began as scheduled, and after about ten minutes, I could hardly believe my ears.... NOTHING was on the Agenda for today about the AC/shelter, yet one commissioner began addressing the complaints at our animal control shelter, plus their awareness of the FB citizens concerned about the AC/shelter page.

Thank goodness on staying to be a presence there, as I almost left since the secretary and agenda made no mention of the discussion!

The commissiners were looking at an investigation of the AC/shelter by The Animal Board of Health [who are NOT on our team]. A few areas where Animal Advisory Boards/Board of State Federation of Shelters and ABOH do cross paths, i.e. rabies holding periods, and abuse cases. The ABOH has no background, education, or experience in the animal sheltering department.

I gave comments when the room was addressed to do so, – which should be publicised in the minutes- welcoming and urging the diversity of an Advisory Board. This would not be a cost to the taxpayers- as one commissioner stated budget cuts for AC ahead, and there would be an expense involved with Advisory Board implementation.

If the commissioners want an independent investigation of AC by the ABOH, there will not be anything found- and of course, the AC/ shelter and commissioners come off looking clean. We know this is not the case, and are in desperate need of transparency via a watchdog organisation like Board of State Federation of Shelters. This is heavy artillery in the most positive degree.
For example, when statistics are requested, they need to be sent out, versus never receiving them. Financials, et c.

I telephoned BOSFS today directly after hearing the commissioners. My contact will get on this immediately to the Board of State Federation- and did mention a person she had in mind who has many years of experience, and another individual at a private Humane Society. She will also write to the commissioner who brought this to the agenda.

People/taxpayers might have attended if discussion of the AC/shelter had been posted to their website/agenda. The scary thing is, if the commissioners do not wish to discuss public matters, and only wish to stick to “roads/hwys”, then someone else needs to be the boss of the animal control/shelter!

So, BOSFS is writing to commissioners offering to do an independent investigation of the AC, as this was brought to her attention. Humane society here has already submitted the BOSFS info to a commissioner.

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I've got a rescue Dobe at the house right now. She might have nipped at a child or something. She's only 9months old and she's just a spazz. Very sweet dog that just needs some training. Bubba is just being a snot. He's snapped at her a couple of times. She's heading to the rescue hopefully tomorrow. I need some rest before Sunday.
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all is calm for now here- another meeting tomorrow afternoon w/commissioners.

the dobe rescue, andrew, feminineallure, and kimbo's work = ongoing and hard, but so very rewarding. thank you all for being you <3

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there was a good turn out tonight at the meeting of concerned citizens including rescue groups/foster people, and lots of volunteers belonging to various committees. the reporter wants to interview the commissioners plus the chief animal control officer before running the piece. i heard this before from him, as i've worked with the same reporter on a handful of our own newspaper stories. however, tonight was a different tone all together, with a room full of amazing people sharing experiences regarding the animal control shelter- it gave a voice to the animals - past, present, and looking towards a brighter future.

a news station was scheduled to come, but at the last moment, there were three breaking stories so that just gives us another opportunity to get this issue out a bit later- not such a bad dealio.

one paper already covered it. we're on the way.

tomorrow, i will attend a meeting of the commissioners to get the animal control shelter statistics, which i've been asking for far too long! also, i will inquire about an animal advisory board being formed, to be a liasion for animal control and county commissioners. i should be able to get all the statistics i want if there's a board in place [the present chief of animal control disbanded that board years ago!]. another plus to having a board, is the members are diverse- humane society will have a seat, and That Means- we will get ordinances for anti-tethering !!

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I really wished you would take into consideration spaying your cat. I know you mean well but it is appalling to many of us that spend countless hours rescueing animals --- over 6 million animals a year are euthanized. Please spay your cat. Allowing her to breed like this is irresponsible IMHO.

In many cities it is against the law to allow an animal in heat to roam free.

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I totally get what you are saying. She is the only one we never got spayed. She came to our house pregnant and just kept having them. Eventually the dr had a talk with us too, and he had to really make us understand that it is okay to do an "abortion" type of thing. The first couple of times when was getting ready to spay her we would notice she was pregnant. We kept our a kitten out of the 4th set, and that is when she took off. She still eats our house but we cant catch her and we know she is pregnant again so me and the rest of my family agreed that she will probably come inside to have them so we need to watch for her and just keep her in the house this time. Thank you for letting me know but this story does let people know that cats need to spayed and you just have to learn to deal with that part that I mentioned above.
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I totally get what you are saying. She is the only one we never got spayed. She came to our house pregnant and just kept having them. Eventually the dr had a talk with us too, and he had to really make us understand that it is okay to do an "abortion" type of thing. The first couple of times when was getting ready to spay her we would notice she was pregnant. We kept our a kitten out of the 4th set, and that is when she took off. She still eats our house but we cant catch her and we know she is pregnant again so me and the rest of my family agreed that she will probably come inside to have them so we need to watch for her and just keep her in the house this time. Thank you for letting me know but this story does let people know that cats need to spayed and you just have to learn to deal with that part that I mentioned above.
It's hard to take a cat who has roamed freely outdoors and then make them a complete indoor cat. It's not impossible but the fact is when they want to get out most often they will.

If she is pregnant and has kittens, well it's still winter, they're at risk. If you can't catch her I would recommend trapping her. It would be easy for you with her already feeding at your house. There are very humane traps for getting cats. There are a lot of resources in your area. .

http://www.spayneuterservices.org/resources.htm

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i am posting all of this information in this thread for people to understand The Process- should anyone ever have to go up against a municipality - which is defined as a political unit having corporate status/powers of self-governing.

some AC/shelters, and Chief Animal Control Officers who fall under governing body of municipality, answer to the County Commissioners.

always remember, please:

you are the voice for the animals, shelter, and county commissioners - as a taxpayer - as a constituent to the county commissioners - neither shelter or commissioners could exist without voter/taxpayer/community support!!

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after i sat in on the meeting of county commissioners, who failed to list the topic of complaints at the AC on their agenda/website- i brought up some issues to the commissioners during the meeting, including having an animal advisory board. then i rang up my contact who wrote to the commissioners straightaway-

if the commissioners refuse this help, and want to cover up their chief animal control officer/lack of involvement with the complaints at AC, and if they try to force the issue of animal board of health - our work is not done ! we do have a plan B.


Hi [county commissioners],

My name is [x] and I am the CEO of the [x] Humane Association and President of the [x]. I have been following the animal shelter situation in your community and have spoken with some of your local animal welfare groups over the past year or so. Both [my group] and the Humane Society of [x] County are members of our state federation of animal welfare organizations.

It has come to my attention that your County Commissioners may be interested in improving the situation at your shelter and have discussed a possible evaluation- possibly by the State Board of Animal Health. While the SBOAH does many great things, they have limited knowledge of animal sheltering best practices, programming, etc.

A goal of our state federation [x] is to elevate the sheltering community in Indiana. [my] County has been of particular interest to us as a shelter that frankly, isn’t moving forward and has a lot of issues with best practices, etc. Our state group provides free/low cost training sessions throughout the state as well as many other functions.

While we are not comfortable visiting the shelter and doing an onsite evaluation as the staff there may not be particularly warm to that idea, [x] would like to offer to produce a document for you that would give you a road map of where your shelter should be, best practices for adoptions, cleaning, policies, etc. Our board is made up of members of the major animal shelters in Indiana including, Bloomington, Ft. Wayne, Evansville, Indianapolis, Kokomo and New Albany.

Our cumulative expertise in the area of animal sheltering could at this point be a good source of information for change at your local shelter and hopefully helpful to the commissioners in making decisions for the betterment of your community, its animals and the shelter itself.

Our board has members who lecture nationally and sit on national animal welfare boards. We hope we can share our knowledge with your community.

Please let me know if we can be of assistance and if there is anyone else I should be contacting at this point. We would also be happy to send a team to meet with the commissioners themselves to discuss and/or present the report.

Thanks so much and I look forward to hearing back from you.

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What's the punishment for being cruel to an animal? In five states — Idaho, Hawaii, Kentucky, Mississippi and North Dakota — the law’s response is, “Not much.”

Those five states have the weakest animal protection laws in the nation, according to a recent report by the Animal Legal Defense Fund, a non-profit organization based in Cotati, Calif. The report says the states' failings include not requiring owners provide basic animal care such as adequate food and water, no requirement for mental health evaluations or counseling for those convicted of animal abuse and no restrictions on future ownership of animals following a conviction.

None of the five states consider cruelty, neglect or abandonment a felony. And of the five, only North Dakota regards all animal fighting as a felony, not just dog fighting.

People in these states aren’t more likely to mistreat their animals, says Stephan Otto, ALDF’s director of legislative affairs and author of the report, but the laws haven’t caught up with society’s values.

“Most people treat their animals wonderfully, but the question is whether there are appropriate penalties when they don’t,” he said.

In Mississippi, for instance, the penalties for neglect and dog fighting are the same: a fine of between $10 and $100 or jail time for between 10 and 100 days. Someone who maliciously injures or kills a dog or cat cannot be fined more than $1,000 or imprisoned for more than six months. The only restitution required is the replacement value of the animal, plus the cost of any veterinary fees or other expenses incurred. By contrast, in California, one of the states with tougher penalties, dog fighting is punishable by imprisonment for 16 months to three years, a maximum fine of $50,000 or both.

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In Kentucky, veterinarians are prohibited from reporting suspected cruelty or fighting, an unintended consequence of a law mandating client confidentiality. Otto says a bill was recently introduced to rectify the problem.

States that are soft on crimes toward animals often have an agricultural lobby that may see animal protection issues as potentially limiting options for farmers, says Francis Battista, a founder and director of Best Friends Animal Society, a non-profit organization based in Kenab, Utah. When animal issues come up, they tend to be put on the back burner in favor of human issues. Cultural or traditional attitudes can also affect the way people relate to animals and the willingness to adopt animal protection laws, he says. People in southern and western states can have an independent mindset that precludes being told how to treat their property, including animals.

In 2009, when a Mississippi man tied his dog to a tree, set her on fire and let her burn to death, it was considered only a misdemeanor. He was fined $1,000 and given a six-month sentence. Last month, the Mississippi legislature introduced a bill that would increase the penalty for acts of cruelty toward dogs and cats. If passed, people convicted of cruelty could go to prison for up to five years and pay a fine of $10,000.

Beyond greater penalties, there are other consequences to being convicted of a felony rather than a misdemeanor, Otto says.

“Those convicted of felonies will usually serve their sentences in a state or federal prison rather than a local, city or county jail," he says. "A felon will also have more restrictions on their rights than a person convicted of a misdemeanor. In many states, convicted felons cannot serve on juries. They may also lose their right to vote or to practice certain professions, such as lawyer or teacher. Felons may also be prohibited from owning guns or serving in the military.”

Arkansas, which was once ranked at the bottom of the ALDF's annual report, improved its standing last year after the state’s attorney general brought together people from agricultural and animal protection organizations and hammered out an agreement that included a felony penalty for torture, including starving, and neglect, improved the definition of care, and provided for mental health evaluations and counseling. People who commit animal cruelty in the presence of a minor face stronger penalties.

“It catapulted them from the very bottom to the middle,” Otto says.

Many states are taking steps to offer better legal protection for animals, including mandates for mental health evaluations, counseling or restrictions on animal ownership for people who are convicted of animal cruelty. Those are important because people who commit crimes against animals frequently repeat them.

There’s also a strong connection between animal abuse and other types of violence, particularly domestic violence, a link that has been shown in many studies. A 1997 study by the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals and Northeastern University found that those who had committed a violent crime against an animal were five times more likely to commit violent crimes against people. When animal abuse is addressed early, before it becomes a habit, it can help to reduce overall violence in a community, Otto says.

“We think it’s incumbent that the mental health angle of this is addressed in laws,” Otto says. “A lot of states too are looking at prohibiting those convicted of animal cruelty and neglect from owning animals for a certain period of time after conviction. We think that’s another helpful tool to break the cycle of abuse and potentially eliminate new victims.”

Better definitions of care provide a baseline for pet owners to meet as well as objective criteria for law enforcement to know whether the law has been violated. But in the end, enforcement is key.

“You can have the best laws on the books, but if you’re lacking enforcement, they’re not worth anything,” Otto says.

Second chance for abused animals
The good news is that animals are resilient, Battista says. Whether they have suffered neglect, abandonment or overt physical abuse, they have an amazing ability to respond to rehabilitation efforts.

He would know. Best Friends took in 22 of the 47 dogs rescued from the estate of Michael Vick after he was arrested and charged with conspiracy to engage in dog fighting in violation of the Animal Welfare Act. Many were so shut down and unresponsive due to the abuse they'd suffered that they that they would have been euthanized if Best Friends hadn’t taken them, says spokesperson Barbara Williamson. Because of judicial requirements regarding their placement, only a few are in adoptive homes so far, but the rest are at Best Friends or in foster care and all are making progress. Only one is considered aggressive toward people, Williamson says, and even she is now friendly if introduced by someone she trusts. She will stay Best Friends for the rest of her life.

“Animals are survivors, like people, and they will take every opportunity to respond to help,” Battista says. “Depending on what category of abuse you’re talking about, the way we rehabilitate and the time for rehabilitation might be different. Some animals are never going to be lap cats or lap dogs, but they’ll always improve and they’ll always respond. It’s simply a matter of time and patience.”
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I saw this article this morning. We are definitely making gains on animal welfare but there is a lot of work to be done. I hope that the lack of animal protection legislation becomes something that is addressed nationwide.
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I saw this article this morning. We are definitely making gains on animal welfare but there is a lot of work to be done. I hope that the lack of animal protection legislation becomes something that is addressed nationwide.
Thanks for the link. I didn't know that about Kentucky..It seems really odd that a vet would not be able to report abuse.
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