Police Brutality in the Cell Phone/Internet Video Age

UofMfan · 10-23-2011, 12:43 PM

National Day against Police brutality October 22, 2011, pictures

AtLast · 10-23-2011, 01:22 PM

There is certainly a lot more "proof" of police brutality and misconduct with the advent of cell phones and camcorders, yet these keep flooding the media. I know that in some states laws have been adopted that actually impede a citizen from any picture taking or filming while police are at a crime scene, etc. by designating how close someone can be to them while working a case, for example.

What I am just not understanding is why something has not been done in terms of what looks like a hell of a lot of misconduct by police. I'm not anti-cop and after knowing officers in person, have a lot of respect for those that actually do "serve & protect" and do not step over the line. In fact, they are some of the first to want "rogue" officers off the force and prosecuted. This is one of most stressful jobs anyone can do and there is high burn out rates that not addressed or enough resources given to prevent (and detect) loose cannons in law enforcement. These days, cities, towns and counties are cutting police budgets, not adding officers, let alone in-house programs to prevent these actions.

Yet..... look at this stuff! I have no idea what percentage of oficers these represent in terms of all officers across the US and my guess is that it is small. But, none of this should be happening at all.

This gets to me just on a human level in terms of the abuses, but also I can see this as part and parcel of not putting resources into police departments including preventive measures starting with on-going assessment of officer's mental and emotional states. Also, this is a profession in which there are high divorce rates and alcoholism. It doesn't take a mental giant to see that there needs to be a re-vamping of police officer development from the initial entrance requirements and emotional status throughout training and then while on the job in performance evaluation. The "blue wall" is real and something has to be done about tearing it down.

I know.. ranting and I am not in any way an expert in this area, but I see such gaps in how police offocers are recruited, trained and retained that could lead to these kinds of things. Then there is the whole racism component with police brutality.

Side note- there is some very good research just published about how tasers are far more dangerous than they have been toted as in terms of a manner of bringing a suspect down in terms of both neurological and cardiac damage.

Bard · 10-23-2011, 01:39 PM

I am a Law Enforcement Officer have been for 10 plus years and I am the daughter of a Cop as well. My dad did not want me to follow in his foot steps he said it is a job that you see the worst in people and that you can become hard and cynical. Some become a cop for power some for money it is a steady job and some do it because sometimes you can make a difference. I did it to make a difference I don't often get to. yes I know there are those in my profession who "shit" on their badge and they need to be held accountable and removed. but there are many more of us just doing the job and at a cost our family's know when they kiss us goodbye it could be the last time. some of the footage that is aired is edited to show from one point and may not tell the whole story.

Ebon · 10-23-2011, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bard

I am a Law Enforcement Officer have been for 10 plus years and I am the daughter of a Cop as well. My dad did not want me to follow in his foot steps he said it is a job that you see the worst in people and that you can become hard and cynical. Some become a cop for power some for money it is a steady job and some do it because sometimes you can make a difference. I did it to make a difference I don't often get to. yes I know there are those in my profession who "shit" on their badge and they need to be held accountable and removed. but there are many more of us just doing the job and at a cost our family's know when they kiss us goodbye it could be the last time. some of the footage that is aired is edited to show from one point and may not tell the whole story.

I understand that not all cops are bad and you guys do see some messed up stuff that would affect even the most grounded person. But please explain to me a situation where it would be necessary for 5 cops to beat down an unarmed citizen or mace someone in the face if they are not a danger to you?

Corkey · 10-23-2011, 05:01 PM

I wonder, as former Law Enforcement, when I got up and put my uniform on I retained my humanity, I did not become above the law of these United States that I swore to uphold. If I were to be tazed today I could very well die due to having a couple of electrodes attached to my spine. Nothing is gained IMO by pepper spraying women and children, it doesn't de-escalate, a protest. No amount of roughing up 74 year old Veterans makes the streets safer, zip tying people who are airing their grievances with their government is not necessary when people are using only the voice they were born with. Law Enforcement is not above the law, no matter how much training one has.
I stand with the 99%

Bard · 10-23-2011, 05:10 PM

To me it would not you have to use the force continuum in how you respond use the least or equal amount of force used against you. I don't know because I was not there. But one argument I have hears from people is " he just had a knife why did they shoot." well it only takes seconds for that knife to be in your chest. again lots of those video clips only show part of the incident. did you know most cops are killed in the line of duty when preforming a simple traffic stop, or that a domestic call is something we are scared as hell of

atomiczombie · 10-23-2011, 05:16 PM

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