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[Diavolo]

The problem is we want to throw the baby out with the bath water.

There are breeders and there are breeders. We had a situation just a couple of weeks ago where a guy had a litter of puppies. One had a broken leg and he acted as if he hadn't even seen it broken. It was sticking straight out. We got the puppy. A week later a volunteer bought all of the puppies. When we went to get the puppies we talked him out of both bitches. When those puppies go to homes from the rescue they'll have chips, tattoos and contracts that they come back to the rescue if ever they can't stay in their "forever" home. He is not a breeder. He's a dumb ass that let his two dogs fuck.

A real breeder has contracts that they fulfill. Their buyers must complete local training courses for their dogs. They must have proper vet care. Their puppies are chipped and in the event they come into a shelter, the breeder wants them back and takes them back. No questions asked. A real breeder's dogs don't end up in shelters. A real breeder health tests and does specific planned breedings to dogs of a certain quality that will enhance the breed. Both parents NEVER live on site. If there were only real breeders out there, shelters and rescues would merrily go out of business.

We're very focused on sterilization and breed hate, but if the public perception of where to get a dog was educated by the dog clubs, there wouldn't be a problem.

Quietly the Doberman community is happy that CJ did not win the Westminster, even though we all think she was robbed. We all know that every Tom, Dick and Harry would want to start breeding Dobermans and that would be bad for the breed. I look at all of the trainwreck dogs we get through here and then I look at CJ. And we know that those clowns don't get what makes her so majestic. She's one of the most winning dogs in the country and I'm glad she's a bitch. At least there won't been viles of frozen giz to propagate. That might be a good thing.

[Kimbo]

Originally Posted by Diavolo

The problem is we want to throw the baby out with the bath water.

There are breeders and there are breeders. We had a situation just a couple of weeks ago where a guy had a litter of puppies. One had a broken leg and he acted as if he hadn't even seen it broken. It was sticking straight out. We got the puppy. A week later a volunteer bought all of the puppies. When we went to get the puppies we talked him out of both bitches. When those puppies go to homes from the rescue they'll have chips, tattoos and contracts that they come back to the rescue if ever they can't stay in their "forever" home. He is not a breeder. He's a dumb ass that let his two dogs fuck.

A real breeder has contracts that they fulfill. Their buyers must complete local training courses for their dogs. They must have proper vet care. Their puppies are chipped and in the event they come into a shelter, the breeder wants them back and takes them back. No questions asked. A real breeder's dogs don't end up in shelters. A real breeder health tests and does specific planned breedings to dogs of a certain quality that will enhance the breed. Both parents NEVER live on site. If there were only real breeders out there, shelters and rescues would merrily go out of business.

We're very focused on sterilization and breed hate, but if the public perception of where to get a dog was educated by the dog clubs, there wouldn't be a problem.

Quietly the Doberman community is happy that CJ did not win the Westminster, even though we all think she was robbed. We all know that every Tom, Dick and Harry would want to start breeding Dobermans and that would be bad for the breed. I look at all of the trainwreck dogs we get through here and then I look at CJ. And we know that those clowns don't get what makes her so majestic. She's one of the most winning dogs in the country and I'm glad she's a bitch. At least there won't been viles of frozen giz to propagate. That might be a good thing.

Diavolo--I agree with you with the exception of what I have bolded. The biggest "dog club" is the AKC. They are the biggest promoters of irresponsible breeding just by the fact that they have very little in place to confirm those animals that they paper. To me the AKC has degraded the true responsible breeder.

[Diavolo]

Originally Posted by Kimbo

Diavolo--I agree with you with the exception of what I have bolded. The biggest "dog club" is the AKC. They are the biggest promoters of irresponsible breeding just by the fact that they have very little in place to confirm those animals that they paper. To me the AKC has degraded the true responsible breeder.

We're saying the same thing, I just didn't make myself clear.

The AKC is just a registration service. What I meant is that the breed clubs, like the National version of the Boxer club, the Doberman club, the Chihuahua club, Aussie whatever, need to not only promote but require responsible breeding and then push their agenda publicly. That is, don't buy dogs that haven't been health tested, don't get an Aussie where one of the parents hasn't been finished either in the ring or in the field, don't buy a dog from a guy who has both parents on site. Right now everybody thinks AKC papers is the be all end all. Breed clubs need to advance a more comprehensive message. For the sake of the dogs they need to lead and right now they aren't.

I see more Dobermans out there that barely look like Dobermans except for the markings. The latest soul I transported, who also overnighted here had a ridiculously short snout, was undersized and had a hinky temperment. I'm sure her parents weren't health tested and the propensity for this poor little soul to develop or carry DCM, Wobblers, bum hips or any of the other plethora of health issues that plague the breed are huge. I have a friend who has finished a bunch of dogs but hasn't bred because he's been doing the research to breed out the health issues that plague the breed. That's what breeding dogs is all about. Betterment of the breed. And that's the message that the dog clubs (and by dog club I mean breed club) have to do.

And don't misunderstand me. I have two trainwreck rescues here. Rita is undersized, snipe nosed and kind of not right in the head. The only time that dog was at peace was after she killed a rat. Bubba has IBD and has classic Doberman OCD. His toes curl some kind of funky, his gait is not the kind of gay it's supposed to be and he blew his coat 18 months ago and all of the salmon oil in the world ain't bringing it back. And they both adore me and I would live in my truck before I would give them up.

[violaine]

itty, hallo

thank you for contributing to the portion of the animal control investigation addressing OS [owner surrendered pets]. the shelter staff do not have discussions/work with/counsel humans who entrust animals with staff of the AC /shelter.

that response, and so many others provided to us by the AC/shelter Chief Officer/Assistant, just astounded us during this investigation into multiple and serious issues- one of which is witnessed inappropriate treatment of animals at the AC/ shelter .

[violaine]

[QUOTE=Diavolo;55011]We're saying the same thing, I just didn't make myself clear.

The AKC is just a registration service. What I meant is that the breed clubs, like the National version of the Boxer club, the Doberman club, the Chihuahua club, Aussie whatever, need to not only promote but require responsible breeding and then push their agenda publicly. That is, don't buy dogs that haven't been health tested, don't get an Aussie where one of the parents hasn't been finished either in the ring or in the field, don't buy a dog from a guy who has both parents on site. Right now everybody thinks AKC papers is the be all end all. Breed clubs need to advance a more comprehensive message. For the sake of the dogs they need to lead and right now they aren't.

I see more Dobermans out there that barely look like Dobermans except for the markings. The latest soul I transported, who also overnighted here had a ridiculously short snout, was undersized and had a hinky temperment. I'm sure her parents weren't health tested and the propensity for this poor little soul to develop or carry DCM, Wobblers, bum hips or any of the other plethora of health issues that plague the breed are huge. I have a friend who has finished a bunch of dogs but hasn't bred because he's been doing the research to breed out the health issues that plague the breed. That's what breeding dogs is all about. Betterment of the breed. And that's the message that the dog clubs (and by dog club I mean breed club) have to do.

And don't misunderstand me. I have two trainwreck rescues here. Rita is undersized, snipe nosed and kind of not right in the head. The only time that dog was at peace was after she killed a rat. Bubba has IBD and has classic Doberman OCD. His toes curl some kind of funky, his gait is not the kind of gay it's supposed to be and he blew his coat 18 months ago and all of the salmon oil in the world ain't bringing it back. And they both adore me and I would live in my truck before I would give them up.

diavolo - hi

i found this group while visiting the FB page of a wonder dobe rescue i worked with a while back helping DAZ. [lean on me dobe rescue = stellar group of humans! LOMDR is on the FB page below].

http://www.facebook.com/SaveDobermans?ref=mf

[Kimbo]

Diavolo, my sister has had dobie's most of her adult life. She doesn't have one now but had there been one at the pound when she went she would. She had a beautiful fawn dobie that used to jump up in her arms. All my nephews were raised around dobie's, riding them and doing all the pulling they do, never once did any one of those dogs nip or bite. I would not hesitate to take in a dobie if I was going to take in a new critter.


On another not here's to Mr. Weener ...the rescued dog who rescued his mom from a fire in Whatcom county!
He's a dachsund, bet you couldn't guess that.

[Diavolo]

Originally Posted by Kimbo

Diavolo, my sister has had dobie's most of her adult life. She doesn't have one now but had there been one at the pound when she went she would. She had a beautiful fawn dobie that used to jump up in her arms. All my nephews were raised around dobie's, riding them and doing all the pulling they do, never once did any one of those dogs nip or bite. I would not hesitate to take in a dobie if I was going to take in a new critter.


On another not here's to Mr. Weener ...the rescued dog who rescued his mom from a fire in Whatcom county!
He's a dachsund, bet you couldn't guess that.

Check out the pic in my gallery. That says it all.

And props to Mr. Weener!

[suebee]

An interview with Temple Grandin, where she talks about animal emotions and separation anxiety in dogs among other things. Link here.