Small Plane Crashes in Austin Tx

[~Bo]

Originally Posted by wolfwalker

oh really? tell me what you are going to do when there is no food left in the stores because of some disaster and people are coming down your driveway, intent on killing you and your family for what you have left?

going to just invite them in for tea and cookies?

I guess we'll have to get a plane and fly it into a building and kill a bunch of people. Right?
That'll solve the problem.

[Sachita]

As it has been with most of my life I sit on a fence with this. I'm between liberal hippy and conservative bitch most likely caught in a bureaucratic trap most of us are in. Sheeple (is that right?) is exactly what we are.

Our government is the worse terrorist of all. Our entire civilization has been erected from slaughtering and abusing natives and other people in the name of some fucked up system that's soul agenda is to control us. We can celebrate a fucked up LIE called history and support a system that has literally abused us but damn the one individual that reacts.

I don't agree with any act of violence but I can damn sure see why he did what he did. The thought, I am sure has crossed many a mind. He was just willing to trade his life for it. Not something many of us would consider. No, I don't think he was a coward. I think he snapped and just had enough.

[~Bo]

Originally Posted by Sachita

As it has been with most of my life I sit on a fence with this. I'm between liberal hippy and conservative bitch most likely caught in a bureaucratic trap most of us are in. Sheeple (is that right?) is exactly what we are.

Our government is the worse terrorist of all. Our entire civilization has been erected from slaughtering and abusing natives and other people in the name of some fucked up system that's soul agenda is to control us. We can celebrate a fucked up LIE called history and support a system that has literally abused us but damn the one individual that reacts.

I don't agree with any act of violence but I can damn sure see why he did what he did. The thought, I am sure has crossed many a mind. He was just willing to trade his life for it. Not something many of us would consider. No, I don't think he was a coward. I think he snapped and just had enough.

I think he was willing to trade ALOT of people's lives for it. Do you seriously believe he thought he'd be the only one to die??? You gotta be kidding me.
That whole fucking building could've exploded.

I truly can not fathom you people and your rationale.

*shakes head*

[Sachita]

Originally Posted by ~Bo

I think he was willing to trade ALOT of people's lives for it. Do you seriously believe he thought he'd be the only one to die??? You gotta be kidding me.
That whole fucking building could've exploded.

I truly can not fathom you people and your rationale.

*shakes head*

no, not kidding you. I think that he snapped but even in crazy ass mode he took a calculated risk even though he knew his own life would end. I don't see this man as being hap-hearted but one that gave it a lot of thought and fueled with that passionate insanity made an extreme statement. One which I feel would have easily been any of us caught in that moment.

For the record I do not condone his actions but the last thing I'd ever call him is a coward.

he had nothing to lose. He burned his house not to hurt his family but that they would have taken it anyhow. Can't you see this? He might have done a terrible deed in the macro cosmic scope of things but in his microcosmic world he acted with passion and a great statement.

when our government make a choice for the good of all they don't consider the tripling effect it will have on the masses. They will defend their agenda even if it means killing innocent lives. This is proven through history. Women, children, whoever is in it's course is victim to that greater cause. I think it's bullshit but at the same time I sit back and wonder what would happen if they didnt? It it an acceptable action and we accept it in the name that is all free... such fucking BS. If you can but that program then why not but this one?

I think it's a double agenda but as sheeple you'd never see that because as humans we are condition to acception, play into the system and punish ourselves for thinking differently.

Fuck that nonsense.

[Sachita]

and further fucking more...

think about why you feel this way. Do you sit back and think about the countless women and children killed in Vietnam? On the news we hear about Afghanistan and all of our soldiers killed but do we think about the obstruction we have created? hell fucking no.

Blind your eyes. Take a pathetic stance to this agenda where a man just simply had enough and took singular action. I suppose it would have been different if he had an army, that we all paid for out of our blood, sweat and fucking tears.... then he'd be a fucking hero.

Think about your compassion and where you place your morals. Life is a bitch and every corner you turn there is someone's agenda ready to stand up and challenge you. Think about whats really important to you. Sometimes the most devastating acts, the most painful brings about the most change. Although I don't agree with his actions I do know, from the bottom of my heart, that this will create consciousness, good, bad or indifferent, but the end result will be people looking at this and thinking "holy fuck, why are we putting up with this shit." meanwhile the cheerleaders are shouthing, "We're not going to take this shit NO FUCKING MORE!"

now put that shit in your pipe and smoke it... lol, wait, they made that illegal. So lets just booze ourselves to death and pay the tax to the government.

[~Bo]

Ok.....so then tell me what good did it do. Does it solve the problems you're talking about? No. Didn't do a damn thing but take innocent lives.

And talking about the wars is a whole other issue. This is about some ass flying a plane into a building. Period. And that's all I am concerned with. You can come up with all the excuses you want to. What he did was chicken shit and cowardice.

Why didn't he just face life like a man. What he did proves nothing and solves nothing.

[Sachita]

Originally Posted by ~Bo

Ok.....so then tell me what good did it do. Does it solve the problems you're talking about? No. Didn't do a damn thing but take innocent lives.

And talking about the wars is a whole other issue. This is about some ass flying a plane into a building. Period. And that's all I am concerned with. You can come up with all the excuses you want to. What he did was chicken shit and cowardice.

Why didn't he just face life like a man. What he did proves nothing and solves nothing.

period is operative in a manner of opinion and obviously , , each person has one, even you. Aside from the prevalent bullshit herein, the facts all remain, the debate, as always diversified and the only thing we all agree on is that it was not cool, what he did, BUT he did it. The differences are that some call him a coward and others have various agendas or words for a man that took such action. I'm on the fence but leaning in his favor, not because what I think he was right BUT that he actually fucking did it. I am the the fuckimg coward because I'd never have the fucking guts to commit sucks an act.

those are my words and I'm sticking to it!

[AtLast]

From reports that I have seen/read concerning this man's family and what they are going through, I can see no way in which his acts helped them in anyway. In fact, his actions (partly stated within his delusional thinking), has rendered them targets for shame, criticism, further investgation, fear, loss, and plain social ostricism far more cruel than what they endured prior to these acts. I don't buy that this had any semblence love of one's family or that his actions were not selfish (even though, I do not view him as a rational, sane person).

This man's sense of entitlement goes beyond outrageous!

Further, although he was having financial problems (who the hell isn't these days?), the fact that he had a home and a plane (ummmm.... not exactly coming from a place of poverty) is not lost on the fact that if one wants to get back on track financially, we usually cut back and develop a plan to get back on our feet. He was the one that didn't file an income tax return. And many people don't, but they don't fly planes into buildings. Also, there are several programs in which people can file returns and work out tax debt under (although, I don't think this is the whole story about this situation).

For me, there is no justification for wiping out a building, and killing and injuring people that happen to work for an institution one hates. Hey, I have some not so great feelings about governmental insitutions, and acts by our government, but I am not going to blow-up buildings and people.

I also don't buy that we are so damn helpless with effecting change in our government and laws.

[wolfwalker]

Originally Posted by ~Bo

I guess we'll have to get a plane and fly it into a building and kill a bunch of people. Right?
That'll solve the problem.

lets keep facts straight. he did not kill a bunch of people. other then himself there is 1 dead, 1 injured

[Diavolo]

Originally Posted by wolfwalker

lets keep facts straight. he did not kill a bunch of people. other then himself there is 1 dead, 1 injured

Dude. Seriously?

His intent was to do a lot more damage than he did. You can read his manifesto until the end of time. Murder and mayhem. I cannot believe that you and any one else for that matter is defending murder and mayhem. I'd recommend a reality check.

[T D]

I don't think what this person did was in any way a good thing. I don't think he's a hero, but I don't think he's a coward either. I think he was sick, yes SICK, and this is just one more example of how the U. S. is NOT taking care of its own. Of course it was his responsibility to seek out help, and who knows if he did or not, but none-the-less, no one in their right mind does chit like this, and I have NO doubt that the pressure on him was more than he could handle, for whatever reasons. We're all different.

Unless any of us has been so depressed, fed up, and out of control that we've actually crossed that line between fantasy and reality we have NO idea what really went on for this guy. Causing harm to our self or anyone else is never a good thing to do, but it does happen, and it sometimes happens to what appears to be "perfectly normal people". It could happen to any one of us during our lifetime.

I personally find all of these judgments disheartening. It's a VERY, VERY SAD and traumatic situation for a whole lot of people, including the guy who torched his own house and flew his airplane into that building, and all of his family.

[Ashlea?]

Obviously you didn't read the manifesto properly, never once did he mention mass killing, or going on a rampage. He targeted the institution, not the people.

[~Bo]

Originally Posted by Ashlea?

Obviously you didn't read the manifesto properly, never once did he mention mass killing, or going on a rampage. He targeted the institution, not the people.

He was an extremely intelligent person. Do you really think he thought no one would get hurt?? Come on!

[I'mOneToo]

if he was only targeting "the institution" he might have chosen a time like say, midnight, instead of midmorning on a workday.

just sayin'.

and i can barely read, let alone his "manifesto". but it doesn't matter what he wrote, it's what he did; if he wasn't targeting people he did a bad job of carrying out his mission.

Originally Posted by Ashlea?

Obviously you didn't read the manifesto properly, never once did he mention mass killing, or going on a rampage. He targeted the institution, not the people.

[~Bo]

Originally Posted by wolfwalker

lets keep facts straight. he did not kill a bunch of people. other then himself there is 1 dead, 1 injured

Ohhhhhh.....ok. One dead is ok. Got it now.

You scare me!