The House of Stone...

[Electrocell]

As far as feminizing to me it means I don't like to be touched in my genital area or have anything inserted in me or my breast touched this is my preference because I was molested as a child. Just as some women don't go for going down on a woman or inserting her fingers in a woman that is their preference. I maybe wrong but I think the latter is what SilverStoneFemme was refering to as lesbian sex. It might not be politically correct term to use but some of us may not be as gifted with words as others. What people do in their bedroooms or wherever,with whomever is their business.

[*Anya*]

Originally Posted by *Anya*

These two posts have more than a hint of distaste.

TOS for the site stresses tolerance for all identies.

You can be true to your own identity without making negative comments about "that lesbian thing" and "that's lesbian sex" that makes you shudder "shutter" per your post.

Comments like that really bother me.

Originally Posted by Electrocell

As far as feminizing to me it means I don't like to be touched in my genital area or have anything inserted in me or my breast touched this is my preference because I was molested as a child. Just as some women don't go for going down on a woman or inserting her fingers in a woman that is their preference. I maybe wrong but I think the latter is what SilverStoneFemme was refering to as lesbian sex. It might not be politically correct term to use but some of us may not be as gifted with words as others. What people do in their bedroooms or wherever,with whomever is their business.

Electrocell, my point was exactly that. We can be tolerant of each other, have our own sexual boundaries and preferences without any need to make comments such as "shiver", "shudder", put down "that lesbian sex thing" or make snide comments about how another identity chooses to express their sexuality.

That is strictly where other posters and I were coming from.

My ex, with whom I lived with for 19 years was strictly a stone butch for the first 10 years of our relationship. No, I did not try to change her but always honored her boundaries. That they shifted a tiny bit after 10 years, was her idea and choice on very, very rare occasions. My own identity as a lesbian femme remains regardless of how my partner identifies.

I tell you this as I am not ignorant of the stone identity and accept wherever anyone on the Planet is at in terms of theirs.

I simply believe that there is no need to make intolerant comments about other identities or sexual practices, while honoring who and what our own personal identity is.

That is it in a nutshell.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by Electrocell

As far as feminizing to me it means I don't like to be touched in my genital area or have anything inserted in me or my breast touched this is my preference because I was molested as a child. Just as some women don't go for going down on a woman or inserting her fingers in a woman that is their preference. I maybe wrong but I think the latter is what SilverStoneFemme was refering to as lesbian sex. It might not be politically correct term to use but some of us may not be as gifted with words as others. What people do in their bedroooms or wherever,with whomever is their business.

I disagree on your take of the OP's wording. Her use of "that lesbian thing" followed by an LOL anddd a "shutter" is not lesbian friendly references for "me" and it seems other folks.


She even went as far as to say

"that lesbian sex"

Clarifying she wasn't no lesbian.

Allll that led me to conclude she's kinda eeewing lesbian sex like there's something wrong with it.


Can we stop ewwwing, using derogatory terms against others when stating our desires.

[SilverStoneFemme]

i see the word warriors are out in force.

i dislike sushi......*shutter*......even thinking about it makes me shiver.....can't help it i'm a hardcore cooked fish eater.

That someone could take MY preference about what I LIKE AND DISLIKE and apply it to a whole community of people is unbelievable. my personal dislike for something doesn't demean those who have a preference for whatever it is that i don't care for.

i have the right to have my own preferences. If someone else dislikes stone sex, and finds it distasteful, and the vast majority of folx in the queer community AREN'T stone, that is not something i take personally. It simply means to each their own and one (wo)man's meat is another (wo)man's poison.

i made it clear that i was referring to MYSELF. Lesbian sex is not something i will ever do because, FOR ME, it's distasteful. Because i am a stonefemme.

Many folx find stone sex distasteful. They are entitled to their own personal preferences....and this is not something i would ever take away from them. Let them have whatever they think is appropriate FOR THEM.

i don't demean others for they personal preferences.......don't demean me for mine.

Should i get kicked off from this website, then so be it. i'll accept it. However, i did so standing up for my own personal beliefs.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by SilverStoneFemme

You have the heart of a stonefemme even if you're also able to do that lesbian thing......lol.....*shutter*.....sorry, even thinking of that makes me shiver.....can't help it, i'm a hard core stonefemme............
Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverStoneFemme


There are things i won't do, sexually, on an every day basis. Occasionally, ok. But all the time? Nope. That's that lesbian sex and i'm not a lesbian. i'm a queer stonefemme...........






Your wording in the first post was not speaking of your preferences and you insinuated it seems with a shiver and a shutter like it's not ok or something is wrong with it.

People can state their desires without having to be icked out on what others do.

Originally Posted by SilverStoneFemme

i see the word warriors are out in force.

i dislike sushi......*shutter*......even thinking about it makes me shiver.....can't help it i'm a hardcore cooked fish eater.

That someone could take MY preference about what I LIKE AND DISLIKE and apply it to a whole community of people is unbelievable. my personal dislike for something doesn't demean those who have a preference for whatever it is that i don't care for.

i have the right to have my own preferences. If someone else dislikes stone sex, and finds it distasteful, and the vast majority of folx in the queer community AREN'T stone, that is not something i take personally. It simply means to each their own and one (wo)man's meat is another (wo)man's poison.

i made it clear that i was referring to MYSELF. Lesbian sex is not something i will ever do because, FOR ME, it's distasteful. Because i am a stonefemme.

Many folx find stone sex distasteful. They are entitled to their own personal preferences....and this is not something i would ever take away from them. Let them have whatever they think is appropriate FOR THEM.

i don't demean others for they personal preferences.......don't demean me for mine.

Should i get kicked off from this website, then so be it. i'll accept it. However, i did so standing up for my own personal beliefs.

[The_Lady_Snow]

It wasn't till your second post that you said you were not a lesbian. I'm still not sure why you would refer to sex (lesbian sex) as:

"that lesbian thing......lol.."

I'm still trying to figure out the *thing* lesbians do that would be so LOL

Maybe you could clarify what that thing is and why it's LOL

[Julie]

SilverStone!

You begin by starting the idea of a great thread for those who are Stone and those who love them.

In your descriptor of what Stone Butch is, you put upon them the pronoun "Hy," perhaps without thinking, there might in fact be Female Identified Stone Butches. In fact, there are quite few here on the planet. By referring to the Masculine counter part of a Femme, as a Hy, you are in fact alienating those people, yet you are quite emphatic in stating this is for all Stone people.

Then you continue on in your writings, by making rather (excuse me) juvenile and inappropriate descriptors of your body language as it Shudders and Shivers at the thought of Lesbian Sex!

What exactly is Lesbian Sex?

I am a Lesbian and I have sex. I have been with Stone Butches, and still I was a Lesbian during that time. This part of my identity has never changed. I came out as a Lesbian in 1979 and will probably die a Lesbian, no matter what my preferences are during the times I fuck. Therefore, I must be having (gasp) lesbian sex.

But what is Lesbian Sex and why would you announce here on the Planet, where we are such a diverse group of queer people, that it is (kinda like Sushi) distasteful? Was this entire thread a setup? Seriously - I am sure you have read the TOS and have seen numerous postings where people get called out for putting other people down and passing judgment. You have been a member here almost 2 years. I think you mentioned you were on the other site. You must have known your words would have caused a reaction. It almost feels intentional.

Still want to know what Lesbian Sex is!

And another thing. You mention in your descriptor that Stone Butches who (my memory - forgive me) own their cocks, or something along those lines - perhaps, an extension of them. I have met many a Stone Butch who do not pack or fuck with cocks. Are they no longer Stone?

Was this thread a setup? I think it's a fair question.

Looking forward to hearing more about your definition of Lesbian Sex, Female ID Stone Butches, Those Stone Butches who do not wear cocks, etc.

Julie

[SilverStoneFemme]

Originally Posted by Julie

You begin by starting the idea of a great thread for those who are Stone and those who love them.

In your descriptor of what Stone Butch is, you put upon them the pronoun "Hy," perhaps without thinking, there might in fact be Female Identified Stone Butches. In fact, there are quite few here on the planet. By referring to the Masculine counter part of a Femme, as a Hy, you are in fact alienating those people, yet you are quite emphatic in stating this is for all Stone people.

Julie

i made it quite clear at the beginning of this thread that those folx who identified with what was described as being stone were welcome to join us. HY was one of those descriptors.

i did NOT say hy without thinking. That was an intention statement. This thread is for those stones who are masculine identified and use the pronoun hy.

If the description of stone here, meaning hy, doesn't match anyone else's definition of stone, those folx can go start a thread that more clearly matches what they think is the definition of stone, including those stones who are woman identified and use the descriptors she and her.

Everyone has the right to start threads for a particular identity. Or anything else for that matter. i have started a thread here for those stones who consider themselves to be representative of the descriptors i've presented. i made it clear if they don't agree with who this group is for, they can start another thread for their own descriptors.

Yourself, included, Julie.

Don't simply disagree and criticize me for what i've done, go put your own definitions into a differnet thread.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Just to clarify to the OP, no one is telling you what or how to be. The issue is your choice of wording and how lesbianphobic it sounds:

Originally Posted by SilverStoneFemme

You have the heart of a stonefemme even if you're also able to do that lesbian thing......lol.....*shutter*.....sorry, even thinking of that makes me shiver.....can't help it, i'm a hard core stonefemme............
Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverStoneFemme


There are things i won't do, sexually, on an every day basis. Occasionally, ok. But all the time? Nope. That's that lesbian sex and i'm not a lesbian. i'm a queer stonefemme...........

[aishah]

(seems we were all posting at the same time...sorry if this covers ground covered in previous posts.)

i'm not sure why lesbian and stone are being posed here in opposition to one another. they are both identities. some folks here identify as BOTH. they are not kinds of sex...they are identities. some stone folks like to do certain sex acts, some don't. some lesbians like certain sex acts, some don't. some define themselves as both lesbian and stone because they don't or do like sex a certain way. others define themselves as lesbian and stone and may have sex differently. i'm really uncomfortable with the positioning of lesbian and stone as opposite to one another, on the basis of certain sex acts "belonging" to lesbian and certain sex acts "belonging" to stone. i'm not lesbian, and i am stone (though not with the exact same sex boundaries as some folks...maybe with similar boundaries to others), but it still makes me extremely uncomfortable. particularly because there are a LOT of lesbian stone femmes AND butches here. as has already been stated.

if silverstone or others don't like some sex acts and for them that is how they understand stone...that's cool. but that doesn't make some sex acts explicitly "lesbian" and others "stone." they're just sex acts. lesbian and stone are identities. none of those identities or sex acts are inherently better than another, and they do not have to be mutually exclusive.

i for one am grateful that there is another stone thread here. but i don't want having another stone thread to mean we exclude stone folks who don't define themselves exactly one way. or for it to mean that we are positioning stone as somehow opposite or exclusive of lesbian.

[Jess]

Originally Posted by SilverStoneFemme

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i made it clear that i was referring to MYSELF. Lesbian sex is not something i will ever do because, FOR ME, it's distasteful. Because i am a stonefemme.

Hi there Miss Silver,
I am by no means a "word police".. trust me.. mine get me into enough trouble, so I am surely not going to pick apart your words or your convictions.

I , as a stone butch, had some issue with your phrasing and still do. Had a good discussion about why it bothered me so with a friend who happens to be a stonefemme.

Part of what I think you may be missing in this "conversation" with people whom have voiced less than agreeable responses to your postings, is exemplified above in the quote I pulled from your last post.

When you declare in one breath that "lesbian sex" is distasteful to you and simultaneously call yourself a stonefemme, how do you think that would make someone like Cheryl S feel, who has previously stated in this thread that she is stonefemme AND lesbian? I am not sure if you get my point. ( Which is really ok in the long run)

In talking to my friend, I told her the issue I have is ANYONE trying to set such parameters for ANYONE other than themselves. While, I do understand that you are trying to come from your "me" place and stating your personal feelings of distaste for certain acts, you must know that for other stones ( like myself) out there, it was a clear dis-invite to your self defined stone party.

I am all about having a space where those of us who find our intimacy in this way can gather, get to know one another, hell hook up if that be in the cards. However, it "feels" like, unless us "other" stones fall into YOUR definition, we aren't welcome. I just think that might narrow the already minute part of this community down to nothing. Good luck with whatever part of your journey you are on. I hope it bears you well.

[spritzerJ]

Originally Posted by Jess

In talking to my friend, I told her the issue I have is ANYONE trying to set such parameters for ANYONE other than themselves. While, I do understand that you are trying to come from your "me" place and stating your personal feelings of distaste for certain acts, you must know that for other stones ( like myself) out there, it was a clear dis-invite to your self defined stone party.

I am all about having a space where those of us who find our intimacy in this way can gather, get to know one another, hell hook up if that be in the cards. However, it "feels" like, unless us "other" stones fall into YOUR definition, we aren't welcome. I just think that might narrow the already minute part of this community down to nothing. Good luck with whatever part of your journey you are on. I hope it bears you well.

Jess I am thinking "here" is a welcome place for stones of all sorts of variety. The thread was started and called the house of stone, let it be your house too.

As the conversation shapes I do hope to learn much with the planet's Stone (and Stone+ more) identified people.

Olive branch to all to enjoy a wider range of conversations.

[Jess]

Originally Posted by jenna8987

Jess I am thinking "here" is a welcome place for stones of all sorts of variety. The thread was started and called the house of stone, let it be your house too.

As the conversation shapes I do hope to learn much with the planet's Stone (and Stone+ more) identified people.

Olive branch to all to enjoy a wider range of conversations.

Thanks Jenna. I appreciate your intentions very much. I too hope it becomes a place/space for us to talk about stuff that does pertain to stone identified folks, who carry whatever other identifiers they add on to "stone". It is a very small fraction of the community and out end of the pool is rather shallow.

I will however, wait for an invite from the OP.

thank you again

[spritzerJ]

Originally Posted by Jess

Thanks Jenna. I appreciate your intentions very much. I too hope it becomes a place/space for us to talk about stuff that does pertain to stone identified folks, who carry whatever other identifiers they add on to "stone". It is a very small fraction of the community and out end of the pool is rather shallow.

I will however, wait for an invite from the OP.

thank you again

Jess, you are welcome and thank you. I do hope the invite comes. Meanwhile I think we may need a digging crew to just make the pool as deep as we want it.

[WolfyOne]

Originally Posted by SilverStoneFemme

i see the word warriors are out in force.

i dislike sushi......*shutter*......even thinking about it makes me shiver.....can't help it i'm a hardcore cooked fish eater.

That someone could take MY preference about what I LIKE AND DISLIKE and apply it to a whole community of people is unbelievable. my personal dislike for something doesn't demean those who have a preference for whatever it is that i don't care for.

i have the right to have my own preferences. If someone else dislikes stone sex, and finds it distasteful, and the vast majority of folx in the queer community AREN'T stone, that is not something i take personally. It simply means to each their own and one (wo)man's meat is another (wo)man's poison.

i made it clear that i was referring to MYSELF. Lesbian sex is not something i will ever do because, FOR ME, it's distasteful. Because i am a stonefemme.

Many folx find stone sex distasteful. They are entitled to their own personal preferences....and this is not something i would ever take away from them. Let them have whatever they think is appropriate FOR THEM.

i don't demean others for they personal preferences.......don't demean me for mine.

Should i get kicked off from this website, then so be it. i'll accept it. However, i did so standing up for my own personal beliefs.

This old word warrior can't help but explain the difference in these 2 words

SHUTTER - 1. One that shuts, as:
a. A hinged cover or screen for a window, usually fitted with louvers.
b. A mechanical device of a camera that controls the duration of a photographic exposure, as by opening and closing to allow light coming through the lens to expose a plate or film.
2. shutters Music The movable louvers on a pipe organ, controlled by pedals, that open and close the swell box.
tr.v. shut·tered, shut·ter·ing, shut·ters
1. To furnish or close with shutters: locked the doors and shuttered the windows.
2. To cause to cease operations; close down

and

SHUDDER - 1. To shiver convulsively, as from fear or revulsion.
2. To vibrate; quiver:


So, if you're going to use the word, at least use the proper one
That is all... one word warrior is out of here