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[JoSchmooze]

Originally Posted by Toughy

you know I was going to let this go, but I can't mostly because this feels like a butch is making fun of those of us who take pride in ourselves. Taking care of myself is nothing to *snicker* about.

and.......we ARE talking shop about nails. Why don't you join in instead of the snide sounding *snickers*?

If I am taking your post wrong, then please come in and let me/us know. I will be happy to apologize for this post.

Thanks to all the butch folk who have posted. I'm learning things and I like that.

As Abigail Crabby pointed out,
I do indeed go for regular pedis - but pedis only....
It started when I had my first knee surgery
(about 20 years ago) and I really was uncomfortable
gettting my hands down to my feet....
Over the years it continued because I got so damned big that I
just couldn't reach my feet!
I wouldn't stop going because it does feel good!
But I take care of my own hands as the salon where I go won't
cut my fingernails as short as I like them.....
End of story.....

[EnderD_503]

I think all this "manicure" "pedicure" stuff is also a class issue which kind of sucks. You don't need to have a "manicure" to to be "clean," and I think that getting manicure or giving yourself one has more to do with what people like to do for themselves than any actual realistic hygiene issue. Personally, I just cut my nails frequently because I can't stand to have any nails at all. It drives me up the wall at work or just generally going about my day. Never filed or done anything particularly special and never run into any issue because of it. I think people exaggerate a little at times when it comes to this stuff.

[DapperButch]

Originally Posted by EnderD_503

I think all this "manicure" "pedicure" stuff is also a class issue which kind of sucks. You don't need to have a "manicure" to to be "clean," and I think that getting manicure or giving yourself one has more to do with what people like to do for themselves than any actual realistic hygiene issue. Personally, I just cut my nails frequently because I can't stand to have any nails at all. It drives me up the wall at work or just generally going about my day. Never filed or done anything particularly special and never run into any issue because of it. I think people exaggerate a little at times when it comes to this stuff.

I hear what you are saying, but I think that the thinking behind the creation of the thread (being butch doesn't mean you can't pamper yourself), is a good one.

I would never get a manicure/pedicure either, but I don't think it is a "class" issue; I think it is people choosing to budget their money for this service. Maybe they don't hit Starbucks 5 days a week like many people do, so they have the extra cash to get this done.

I don't read what is being expressed in this thread as people viewing others as not being "clean" if they don't get manicures/pedicures.

[EnderD_503]

Originally Posted by DapperButch

I hear what you are saying, but I think that the thinking behind the creation of the thread (being butch doesn't mean you can't pamper yourself), is a good one.

I would never get a manicure/pedicure either, but I don't think it is a "class" issue; I think it is people choosing to budget their money for this service. Maybe they don't hit Starbucks 5 days a week like many people do, so they have the extra cash to get this done.

I don't read what is being expressed in this thread as people viewing others as not being "clean" if they don't get manicures/pedicures.

A few posts talked about manicures and pedicures as hygienic, which I think is definitely making a statement about people who don't or can't get them, whether they intended it to be that way or not (not saying they said it maliciously, but still has the same implication). And since not everyone has the financial luxury to be able to budget beyond having enough money for what they need, I do think its a class issue if its something you're paying someone else to get done. All I was trying to say is its fucked up when people assume that certain things that are a matter of material luxury are matters of personal hygiene instead of a luxury.

[Passionaria]

Originally Posted by EnderD_503

A few posts talked about manicures and pedicures as hygienic, which I think is definitely making a statement about people who don't or can't get them, whether they intended it to be that way or not (not saying they said it maliciously, but still has the same implication). And since not everyone has the financial luxury to be able to budget beyond having enough money for what they need, I do think its a class issue if its something you're paying someone else to get done. All I was trying to say is its fucked up when people assume that certain things that are a matter of material luxury are matters of personal hygiene instead of a luxury.

Hey E,
I don't think you "have to" pay money to have manicured hands and feet. If you have it, great, but you can do your own, or have someone who loves you do it for you. I think the later is even more delicious than going to the salon! It's the trimming, scrubbing, cuticle tidying, etc that give the clean well groomed "hygienic" look, which I have to agree is attractive. Does not matter how you keep yourself groomed, as long as it happens!?

Right now I have to do my own, and it's cool, lol my painting needs work but....whatever.

[Random]

Originally Posted by EnderD_503

I think all this "manicure" "pedicure" stuff is also a class issue which kind of sucks. You don't need to have a "manicure" to to be "clean," and I think that getting manicure or giving yourself one has more to do with what people like to do for themselves than any actual realistic hygiene issue. Personally, I just cut my nails frequently because I can't stand to have any nails at all. It drives me up the wall at work or just generally going about my day. Never filed or done anything particularly special and never run into any issue because of it. I think people exaggerate a little at times when it comes to this stuff.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one...

I know/have known more than a handful of people who can't afford cars/computers/daily starbucks/eatting out, ect...

BUT they get their hair and nails done like clock work every two weeks..

I don't think it's a matter of class, but a matter of what is important to someone...

I love thrifting/resale stores/ junk stores....

They are my reward for getting up and going to work...

Back when my kid was in HS (Private) I was poorer than hell.. (you support three people, plus tuition and all the stuff that goes along with having a teenager and a partner in college full time on 11 bucks a hour... you learn now to be functual poor) I would walk to work vs taking the bus to save my bus fare so I could go thrifting once a month...

If something is not important to you, then you might think that it's a unness luxury that only people of a certain class can afford... But if it's important to you, you find a way to make it happen...

[Toughy]

Originally Posted by EnderD_503

I think all this "manicure" "pedicure" stuff is also a class issue which kind of sucks. You don't need to have a "manicure" to to be "clean," and I think that getting manicure or giving yourself one has more to do with what people like to do for themselves than any actual realistic hygiene issue. Personally, I just cut my nails frequently because I can't stand to have any nails at all. It drives me up the wall at work or just generally going about my day. Never filed or done anything particularly special and never run into any issue because of it. I think people exaggerate a little at times when it comes to this stuff.

I understand what you are saying, but I certainly didn't/don't mean you have to pay money to get a manicure or pedicure. Being clean and having good personal grooming/hygiene is not a function of money or class in my way of thinking. As I said, I get a manicure every week and I do it myself. It consists of cutting my nails and filing off the rough edges. My toenails are not done as often and I have to figure out some way to deal with pedicures. My very tight budget is going to have to be changed because my ability to do my own pedicure is being severely limited. I'm not so sure I would say folks exaggerate this issue, that seems a bit judgmental.

One of the reasons I started this thread was to help dispel the myth that masculine folks do not take care of our nails.....manicure and pedicure. It is a 'girly' thing to take care of your nails. I am not 'butch enough' because I take pride in trimmed nails and clean hands and feet. I have received reps from masculine folks for starting this thread because they get shit about it from other masculine folks or femmes or partners.

I do understand there can be a charge around words like hygiene and clean. I also understand how folks could think manicure and pedicure mean money changing hands. I don't think that way. Thanks for bringing it up and giving me the chance to clarify what I mean.

And I totally get the can't stand having nails at all..............I'm the same way and so are others in this thread....

[Toughy]

I just looked at my last post and saw the red thumbs down avatar at the very top. I did not mean for that to be there.....I must have somehow accidently clicked on it when I was writing that post. I don't think anything Ender has said should have a thumbs down connected to it. My apologies.

[willow]

Neat clean hands and nails are one of the first things I notice on someone, anyone. No matter how you identify, there is just no excuse for dirty, scruffy finger nails. Be it a DIY job with a nail brush and clippers or a long pampering at a salon. Just do it.

[Ginger]

Originally Posted by Jackhammer

My wife takes care of my hands and feet. We lay
around and groom each other for hours. Big time fun....
She also cuts my hair.
In my world there's nothing she can't do, and nobody does it better.

Happy! Nice.

[Martina]

i am not persnickety at all, but i like a good manicure and pedicure. i hate a bad one. i just had a bad one in Pacifica. They poked me, moved me around like a horse getting shoed, and gossiped and watched TV while they were using sharp implements on my feet. They didn't even out my nails. i guess they assumed i want to grow them (i don't). They didn't ask, and i didn't notice. One place i like is in Half Moon Bay, but they only take cash, which irks me.

i am in the woodsy north right now and am about to go get a mani. No one will notice, and it's kinda crazy when i am going to go kayaking and stuff. But i like to. The toes are in good shape. Alarmingly plum colored. i do put color on the toes. Clear for the hands though because i am hard on the paint and i hate to see chips.

My ex, quite conventionally butch, gets more manis and pedis than i ever did. And she gets color on her toes too. Sometimes more than one color. She loves it.

P.S. I also keep my nails short for obvious reason. i have had long nailed femmes fuck me just fine. But i keep mine short. Makes me nervous otherwise. i don't want to be thinking about that when have my hand inside someone.

Also, while i am no massage therapist, i do give a lot of massages, and i don't need long nails.

Originally Posted by Toughy

you know I get you are trying to be funny, but it's not funny to me......

Guys get crap about being 'butch enough' all the time and personal hygiene stuff is one of those places it happens. Hair products and lotions fit in this category also.

Thanks to the femmes who have offered up tips about nail salons.

Come on guys.....I know I am not the only butch who takes care of my nails.



In my mind nails are tools!!! Tools of the loving touch.

I would be willing to say that part of being old school is taking care of your nails (and skin). What do you think about that?

[chefhmboyrd]

I keep mine short to play guitar........ they stay pretty clean since there is no place left for dirt to hide.

[shiagirl]

Mine are in my Members Photo's * wink

[Seeocean2011]

Short nails here.
But Love to get a pedi-cure..
No mani for me..
but love a femme with great nails ..
Just saying...