"Stud" versus "Butch"

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by Girl_On_Fire

Hello,

Curious femme here. Lately, I've noticed on certain lesbian websites butches are referred to as "studs". This seems to be a generational thing with younger butches especially using the term. I find if off-putting because to me the term "stud" implies some type of breeding stock.

Thoughts on this?

Hi,

Studs, daddies, aggressives, tomboys, papis, machas are all cutural terms used by some folks. I don't think it's generational it's always been out there as long as I can remember. I do believe that the internet and social media have made the words more popular.

I'd leave any further animal references out when it comes to these particular terms.

[girl_dee]

i'm not all that versed but i've never heard stud used when referring to butch.

[Daywalker]

Originally Posted by girl_dee

i'm not all that versed but i've never heard stud used when referring to butch.

That's because they are not the same thing.

[Glenn]

But..why!?

Originally Posted by Daywalker

That's because they are not the same thing.

[Girl_On_Fire]

I wasn't saying that I saw people who identified as "studs" as animals. I was saying that's the only way I'd ever heard that term used before until very recently. I thought it would start an interesting discussion, which is why I didn't just "Google" it just for my own knowledge.

I meant no offense to anyone.

[Daywalker]

I'd like to add that on occasion the Mrs Day will holler
at me with a 'Hey, Stud...' here n there, but it's
not the same thing as Stud - the Identity term.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by Girl_On_Fire

I wasn't saying that I saw people who identified as "studs" as animals. I was saying that's the only way I'd ever heard that term used before until very recently. I thought it would start an interesting discussion, which is why I didn't just "Google" it just for my own knowledge.

I meant no offense to anyone.

I think it would be a great conversation to be had.

[Corkey]

Originally Posted by Girl_On_Fire

I wasn't saying that I saw people who identified as "studs" as animals. I was saying that's the only way I'd ever heard that term used before until very recently. I thought it would start an interesting discussion, which is why I didn't just "Google" it just for my own knowledge.

I meant no offense to anyone.

How about instead of getting defensive, admit the foul, and one take a look through the Forums, there is a plethora of information in the Butch Zone. That way no one gets their nose bent outta shape. This way you get some info under your belt, and don't have to apologize your way out of a sticky situation. Still a suggestion.

[Girl_On_Fire]

Originally Posted by Corkey

How about instead of getting defensive, admit the foul, and one take a look through the Forums, there is a plethora of information in the Butch Zone. That way no one gets their nose bent outta shape. This way you get some info under your belt, and don't have to apologize your way out of a sticky situation. Still a suggestion.

Corkey,

I have absolutely no idea what you're so upset about. I'm not being defensive at all. I'm explaining why I decided to start this as a thread instead of just looking it up. I'm not bent out of shape either. I'm just genuinely confused by your response.

(I didn't mean to 'thank' your response. Slipped finger.)

I'm lost.

[Corkey]

Originally Posted by Girl_On_Fire

Corkey,

I have absolutely no idea what you're so upset about. I'm not being defensive at all. I'm explaining why I decided to start this as a thread instead of just looking it up. I'm not bent out of shape either. I'm just genuinely confused by your response.

(I didn't mean to 'thank' your response. Slipped finger.)

I'm lost.

LOL Soooo not upset, thought I'd save you some embarrassment. I'm done. Perhaps you need to think about you're seeming cluelessness about peoples gender expressions to get it. Bye bye.

[CountryGirl]

...someone named Studmuffin.

[ruffryder]

Originally Posted by Daywalker

I'd like to add that on occasion the Mrs Day will holler
at me with a 'Hey, Stud...' here n there, but it's
not the same thing as Stud - the Identity term.

I've heard the term first in this context and I've been called "stud" and "stud muffin" in reference to cool or super hero like.


I've also heard butches referred to that term "stud" also and mostly on some lesbian websites.

Interesting about the cultural thing. I do know it's referred to butches. Is it more referred to for male identified butches? Curious to hear more and how others use this term.

[PapiChino]

In Oakland, California, it's the term the young dykes use to identify themselves. I DO think of horses when I hear it. I prefer the term butch, but as someone mentioned here it has been used in the past to refer to handsome virile young man and I don't think some young people relate it to breeding stock, but maybe some do. Culture and age is truly part of the attraction and reason for certain terms being acceptable.

[GraffitiBoi]

Originally Posted by PapiChino

In Oakland, California, it's the term the young dykes use to identify themselves. I DO think of horses when I hear it. I prefer the term butch, but as someone mentioned here it has been used in the past to refer to handsome virile young man and I don't think some young people relate it to breeding stock, but maybe some do. Culture and age is truly part of the attraction and reason for certain terms being acceptable.

Where (and when) I grew up in the Midwest (different area of the Midwest than I currently live in, back in the early '90s) the term stud was used for a butch who only gave when it came to sex. A stud never received from the person they were 'doing.' In my opinion, it all comes down to where you live and from which generation you are from. The term has changed a lot over the years and varies from region to region.

It does seem like a horse for the definition we used back then in our little town. A stud horse was used for one purpose - to get a mare pregnant. A stud in my community was also used for one purpose - to get the other person off. I was a stud back then, but not anymore! Gimme! LOL

[Stud_puppy1991]

Personally, I know I am a butch, however, i get called a stud as well. Some use on me because I am young, but I usually just call myself a young butch. However, it makes no difference to me, because I will embrace it either way. And well, I'm just me

[macele]

forget it. it's saturday night.

[QueenofSmirks]

Seriously? Everyone needs to take a deep breath. The OP even stated that the term is disturbing to her because she has heard it used in stock breeding. For those of you who don't know what that is, it's a term used on farms and ranches and other places on the planet for breeding animals. She did NOT equate animals to butches, so get over it already.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by QueenofSmirks

Seriously? Everyone needs to take a deep breath. The OP even stated that the term is disturbing to her because she has heard it used in stock breeding. For those of you who don't know what that is, it's a term used on farms and ranches and other places on the planet for breeding animals. She did NOT equate animals to butches, so get over it already.

I think and I am only taking a guess because this tends to happens with this particular convo when it comes to animals referenced and POC cultural terms. Folks get sensitive when the animal/stud/POC reference is all lumped together. I don't think it was the case this time but maybe that's why it's a sore spot for some folk.

Hopefully some of the community members who identify as such can come in and help Girl on Fire

[Arwen]

So, interesting topic. I had never heard the word aggressive or stud used to mean butch until I hit the other site and then here. I understand them to be cultural usage (as has been stated).

I was familiar with stud being used for bio males (but not aggressive). As in "Hey stud, how's it hanging?"

Now, if you want to dig into this etymologically, then, yes, stud does have a animal husbandry background.

However, for me, I think that the use of stud as a term for a butch woman comes from the hetero male use of the word and not the farm hand. The same as "bud" or "buddy" or "bro" or "compadre". Capiche`?

Now I do know some butches who are animals (rawr rawr) but I don't know any who wouldn't understand that if I said, "Hey stud" I wasn't seeing them as some massive-donged animal in the paddock, but more as some massively sexy human that I wanted to flirt with.

That having been said, I'd like to pause to remind everyone that our dear friend Mercury is in cranky mode and will go into full on "everyone's stupid" mode on Tuesday.

Which ought to make poll day uber fun.

[QueenofSmirks]

Originally Posted by Girl_On_Fire

I wasn't saying that I saw people who identified as "studs" as animals. I was saying that's the only way I'd ever heard that term used before until very recently. I thought it would start an interesting discussion, which is why I didn't just "Google" it just for my own knowledge.

I meant no offense to anyone.

I think it's perfectly fine that you asked the question and nowhere did I see you equate the term used for butches as animals. I understood that you have heard the term used to represent "animal husbandry" as it is termed, essentially, "breeding". I know you tried to be light about it, and that's how I took it. If you can't ask these questions here, then you can't ask them anywhere. These forums are supposed to be supportive, so I hope you feel that your question received adequate and sincere attention. I saw some others answered essentially what I would have answered... it's more of a "culture" thing than an age or geographical thing. Terms have and will continue to be introduced to our community and evolve over time.