increase in Gun sales ...

Gemme · 11-18-2012, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Greyson

Everyone should be periodically tested for mental stability when owning guns.

I think this would be dangerous ground to tread on. Bipolar folks would likely fall into the 'mentally unstable' category when most of those I know lead fully functioning lives, with no detriment to anyone else.

I think that you have more severe cases in mind, but if we open that Pandora's box, who is to say that gays and queers can't own guns? There are still folks out there who think it's a mental disease and it was not so long ago that it was still listed in medical books as such.

Also, certain mental conditions make it very easy for people to 'pass' as someone who does not have that condition. Mainly, I'm thinking of sociopaths, but I'm sure there are other conditions that would allow this.

So, while I understand the thought behind it, I do not believe I could support this.

Nadeest · 11-18-2012, 09:58 PM

I agree with Gemme on this. That is opening up a Pandora's box. I remember filling out the paper forms that were required to purchase a gun, long ago. In that form, you were required to certify that you did not fall under certain classifications, among which were felons, Communists, and transsexuals, along with other categories that I do not remember now.

I do think, though, that the secession talk is a bunch of hot air, and that this will blow over.

aishah · 11-18-2012, 10:19 PM

the same thing happened after the 2008 election, i believe - most of the conservatives i know even said to me they were stockpiling, and there were a lot of news articles about it. thankfully not much came of that. (well, aside from the tea party and probably a few more militias and fringe white hate groups. and a mass shooting or two.) i'm hoping nobody really loses their shit this time. but the things i've read from some really conservative folks - it's like they believe the country is doomed, they have nothing left to lose, and there's no point in bothering to worry about the 2016 election because america won't exist by then. also, the more i learn about the ultraconservative christian groups, the more freaked out i get about how the end times ideology plays into that. so...i wouldn't put it past somebody to do something because it seems like there's a significant number of people who genuinely think they don't have anything to lose. (and god is on their side.) not even that there's no point in trying to be bipartisan, but that there's no point even bothering with the republican party or the electoral process at all anymore. that scares me.

Glenn · 11-19-2012, 04:39 AM

NATO senses the political/economical unrest in this country and others, and they are going to enforce very strict gun laws soon. No matter what states want to break off here and revolt, foreign forces will come in. NATO has a supply chain of weapons we don't, and well, when a tank shell falls in your yard, what can you do?

Sachita · 11-19-2012, 05:20 AM

In a sense I feel we are in a revolution. Maybe it isn't like we've seen in the past but finally, after a very very long time the people are taking action and not putting up with shit. Perfect example is this past election. Money or anything else could not sway or change it. Screw petitions! People are boycotting and raising hell. We are heading towards difficult times. So much of this long over due.

I own guns and a shit load of ammunition not because I want to but to protect myself and family from the idiots that do have guns.

dark_crystal · 11-19-2012, 06:43 AM

At the last family gathering my parents went to, my mom found out she was the only lady there that did not have a gun in her purse.

It's Texas. You always have to assume there is a gun in any room you are in.

We did have an "Active Shooter" training at the library so we know what to do if there is an Aurora-type situation. They trainer told us there was very little risk because statistically these things don't happen in concealed-carry states.

I didn't ask to see the citation for that quote so YMMV

aishah · 11-19-2012, 07:20 AM

i agree, sachita. i think octavia butler's parable of the sower was pretty prophetic in that sense...i definitely could see it (or something similar) happening within my lifetime. most of my organizing friends have octavia butler survival kits packed. i should really learn to shoot, but if it comes to that i don't know if i could.

Sachita · 11-19-2012, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by aishah

the same thing happened after the 2008 election, i believe - most of the conservatives i know even said to me they were stockpiling, and there were a lot of news articles about it. thankfully not much came of that. (well, aside from the tea party and probably a few more militias and fringe white hate groups. and a mass shooting or two.) i'm hoping nobody really loses their shit this time. but the things i've read from some really conservative folks - it's like they believe the country is doomed, they have nothing left to lose, and there's no point in bothering to worry about the 2016 election because america won't exist by then. also, the more i learn about the ultraconservative christian groups, the more freaked out i get about how the end times ideology plays into that. so...i wouldn't put it past somebody to do something because it seems like there's a significant number of people who genuinely think they don't have anything to lose. (and god is on their side.) not even that there's no point in trying to be bipartisan, but that there's no point even bothering with the republican party or the electoral process at all anymore. that scares me.

although I feel the earth is changing and has always changed, creating huge catastrophic events, I believe our biggest problems will come from religious rebellion.

I am a prepper but I am not fanatical about it. I hold hope for humankind and there is even a bit of excitement in me knowing that times will change. I'm just not sure what needs to really happen in order for that to take place.

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Nadeest Member How Do You Identify?: as myself Preferred Pronoun?: She Relationship Status: Single Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Leesburg, FL Posts: 595 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 2,876 Thanked 2,118 Times in 501 Posts Rep Power: 17077998	I agree with Gemme on this. That is opening up a Pandora's box. I remember filling out the paper forms that were required to purchase a gun, long ago. In that form, you were required to certify that you did not fall under certain classifications, among which were felons, Communists, and transsexuals, along with other categories that I do not remember now. I do think, though, that the secession talk is a bunch of hot air, and that this will blow over.

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