It's Time to Boycott Arizona

[Toughy]

This kind of racist bullshit masks the real problem. There is more violence around our southern border, more in CA and AZ than NM. Violence caused by drug dealers and human dealers. This shit has little to do with folks coming across the border to find work and a way out of the mind numbing poverty found in certain parts of Mexico and Central/South America.

The current bullshit speaks little about real immigration issues and even less about how to stop the escalating violence due to drug and human trafficking across our southern border.

[MsDemeanor]

Originally Posted by Toughy

This kind of racist bullshit masks the real problem. There is more violence around our southern border, more in CA and AZ than NM. Violence caused by drug dealers and human dealers. This shit has little to do with folks coming across the border to find work and a way out of the mind numbing poverty found in certain parts of Mexico and Central/South America.

Don't forget about our lax gun laws - there's an insane number of gun shops all along the border - it's nice and easy for the drug dealers to pop over and pick up weapons and ammo.

There's a facebook page for the Boycott: linkyloo

DailyKos has an entry with information about a truckers boycott, plus other info and lots of links: linkyloo

[Toughy]

laughin...............

please don't make me go off about gun laws............my brain will explode...........

and mind all of you...........I come from a gun toting animal hunting family........funny thing is..........my family believes in wait periods, training, licensing, and regulation of ownership of weapons and are firm believers in the 2nd Amendment.....however none of them believe Obama wants to take our guns and ammo away......not even my brother-in-law's mother, who is a Palin supporter.....

I hope everyone watched Rachael Maddow's special on Tim McVeigh........the true enemy of this country is domestic and not foreign..........

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by Toughy

laughin...............

please don't make me go off about gun laws............my brain will explode...........

and mind all of you...........I come from a gun toting animal hunting family........funny thing is..........my family believes in wait periods, training, licensing, and regulation of ownership of weapons and are firm believers in the 2nd Amendment.....however none of them believe Obama wants to take our guns and ammo away......not even my brother-in-law's mother, who is a Palin supporter.....

I hope everyone watched Rachael Maddow's special on Tim McVeigh........the true enemy of this country is domestic and not foreign..........

Yes, saw this special and it really brings your point home!

I have the same kind of background with gun ownership and although I don't own one anymore, I can't think of anyone in my family that thinks Obama want to take guns away either. And, sorry to say, some of them probably support Sarah, too. What you are say here - wait periods, training, licensing, and regulation of ownership of weapons and are firm believers in the 2nd Amendment demonstrates the key differences between the wing-nut zealots and people that are responsible gun owners and are not into stock piling AK-47's, and other assualt weapons, etc.

[leatherfaery]

This bullshit "law" is unconstitutional.


I snipped that because it stood out to me:

SNIP:I propose this:

The citizens of the United States petition their State Representatives and Senators to send troops to Mexico, to organize a refugee program that willl repay the cost to the federal fund to get the people here and settled during the intervention. Once the 'Mexican terrorists' are defeated the familes will return to their homeland. End SNIP



Well then who is going to assist mexico or any other country in sending troops here to help us with our violence problem ? We certainly have a huge one.

Believe it or not there are a lot of Mexican Nationals that want nothing to do with the USA. true story.

[friskyfemme]

I am sorry this is the way I wrote this. It is missing some key words (my dyslexia). I will fill in what I neglected to write.
SNIP:I propose this:

The citizens of the United States petition their State Representatives and Senators to send troops to aid Mexico in defeating the drug cartels , to organize a refugee program that will allow persons from the targeted areas to relocate here temporarily and the Mexican government to repay the cost to the federal fund to get the people here and settled during the intervention. Once the 'Mexican terrorists' are defeated the relocated familes will return to their homeland. End SNIP

I am not suggesting this is THE answer. I do believe in the power of the people. I do believe in humanity wanting to help each other. I don't think Boycotting Arizona is the answer. It will only hurt the underemployed, unpaid majority who is struggling to support themselves and their familes here in AZ and south of our border.

Sincerely, I hope that people do get involved. I look forward to positive resolutions.

[Corkey]

Originally Posted by friskyfemme

I am sorry this is the way I wrote this. It is missing some key words (my dyslexia). I will fill in what I neglected to write.
SNIP:I propose this:

The citizens of the United States petition their State Representatives and Senators to send troops to aid Mexico in defeating the drug cartels , to organize a refugee program that will allow persons from the targeted areas to relocate here temporarily and the Mexican government to repay the cost to the federal fund to get the people here and settled during the intervention. Once the 'Mexican terrorists' are defeated the relocated familes will return to their homeland. End SNIP

I am not suggesting this is THE answer. I do believe in the power of the people. I do believe in humanity wanting to help each other. I don't think Boycotting Arizona is the answer. It will only hurt the underemployed, unpaid majority who is struggling to support themselves and their familes here in AZ and south of our border.

Sincerely, I hope that people do get involved. I look forward to positive resolutions.

Still wont fly, here's why. You by asking congress to send troops, ours, to another country, for whatever reason are asking congress to invade a sovereign country. It isn't constitutional at all. How's this instead...Ask congress to make medical pot legal, get FDA approval for better safer drugs sooner, tell congress to pass sane immerigation legislation that doesn't profile americans already living legally in this country, and is humane in dealing with immigrants who for what ever reason are here without documentation.

ETA: Congress has no power to send troops anywhere, that is the purview of The President. Congress can only declare war, or not.

[Dylan]

I guess we've all forgotten the government pulled this same thing (telling us of all the violence in border towns due to drug 'cartels', immigration, joblessness of Americans, 'Mexicans taking all the good jobs', and all that) way back in the 30s when they were first trying to make pot illegal


Same Tactics,
Dylan

[leatherfaery]

friskyfemme,
I applaud your thoughts on how to deal with this issue although I don't agree, for several reasons. I do think in order to move forward these kinds of conversations need to occur and I appreciated your clarification.

I am still in shock about this and everytime some crap assed idiotic legislation gets barreled through I get alarmed about what will happen next and what groups are going to be the target cuz we ( collective) queers are a dice roll away from shit like this.

Again, thanks for taking the time to clarify.

LF

[Rockinonahigh]

Corkey..we have sent troops many place over the years for way less that whats going on in mexico...look where we are now!! The two wars that the Bush legacy left us in,that we are still fighting and prolly will for a long time yet.Why not help Mexico fight the cartells and other crime thats effecting both our nations.NO,I dont want us in a other war, but we should help some how at least better than we are doing now.I know if my family was in harms way I would be getting out to somewhere safe..wouldnt you?

[Corkey]

Originally Posted by Rockinonahigh

Corkey..we have sent troops many place over the years for way less that whats going on in mexico...look where we are now!! The two wars that the Bush legacy left us in,that we are still fighting and prolly will for a long time yet.Why not help Mexico fight the cartells and other crime thats effecting both our nations.NO,I dont want us in a other war, but we should help some how at least better than we are doing now.I know if my family was in harms way I would be getting out to somewhere safe..wouldnt you?

Hell no, I've been to war. If anyone has any illusions here, we are helping the Mexican government with eradication programs. There is corruption and flat out civil war going on down there. I don't want any of our troops in their war. We already assist their government to catch their drug lords. The elected leaders of Mexico are being killed, that isn't something our troops can stop. Let me be clear. Our troops in Mexico without the direct permission of the Mexican government is an invasion on a sovereign nation. We have enough troubles with our own made up wars we don't need another on our southern boarder. DEA, ICE and other US government agencies are helping the Mexican government, our troops belong at home.
I support legal immigration to the US, and I want to see a humane policy in regards to any nations citizens, that law that the governor signed isn't constitutionally legal, it will be repealed.

[UofMfan]

Originally Posted by Rockinonahigh

Corkey..we have sent troops many place over the years for way less that whats going on in mexico...look where we are now!! The two wars that the Bush legacy left us in,that we are still fighting and prolly will for a long time yet.Why not help Mexico fight the cartells and other crime thats effecting both our nations.NO,I dont want us in a other war, but we should help some how at least better than we are doing now.I know if my family was in harms way I would be getting out to somewhere safe..wouldnt you?

Mexico is not asking the US to send its troops a la "we need you to save us". The countries that the US is at war with right now did not ask for that either. One was invaded under false pretenses and the other has been destroyed while the US is looking for a man that has made the all mighty powerful US military look inept.

The US has a history of invading countries, Mexico doesn't need this kind of help. Mexico is a sovereign nation, it does not want the US congress to enact any measures where sending troops are involved.

Legalize drugs, and this will all end. As someone who lives in a country where that is also a problem, I know for a fact that we don't want the US saving troops here either. Supply and demand, is that simple. Win the war on drugs in the US and countries like mine and Mexico would have less headaches and issues with cartels and the crimes associated with them.

To think that sending US troops places is the cure for all simply blows my mind.

Rocking, I quoted you but this is a general statement to the thread.

[Queerasfck]

We went to that rally today at the Arizona state capital. There were lots of people there and lots of cops. I didn't see any people that were in favor of the senate bill 1070. It was very emotional when we first got there just reading the signs people had made, seeing the folks who brought their kids to particpate, people just banding together. Christine made an awesome sign which many people took pictures of.
Once we got home though thinking about the whole thing just makes me incredibly sad. I know everyone in this state is not a racist. Everything about this bill just feels so racist to me. I'm just so over it.

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by EzeeTiger

We went to that rally today at the Arizona state capital. There were lots of people there and lots of cops. I didn't see any people that were in favor of the senate bill 1070. It was very emotional when we first got there just reading the signs people had made, seeing the folks who brought their kids to particpate, people just banding together. Christine made an awesome sign which many people took pictures of.
Once we got home though thinking about the whole thing just makes me incredibly sad. I know everyone in this state is not a racist. Everything about this bill just feels so racist to me. I'm just so over it.

I certainly don't pin this on all citizens of Arizona, no way. This craziness is certainly not just in Arizona and that is why we all need to deal with these issues across the US. Wing-nut bigoted tea-bag, birther zealots are in every state. Believe me, I am not a very proud Californian when it comes to the immigration issues and our own nut-cakes here. Just thankful that soon we will say good-bye to Arnold... but, I doubt brown will be elected. We will probably have the GOP techie billionare elected.. well, she is buying the election.... And we do have to get our buns out there and be heard. Thanks for going to that rally. It is important that you personally gave your support.

[Toughy]

There is no sane reason to send US or UN troops to Mexico.....to even suggest that speaks to hegemony, American Exceptionalism, white privilege, blah blah blah...just because we have a history of intervening, with military force, in other countries business is not an excuse for anything....Last I heard...........Mexico is not requesting military intervention from anyone.........

Stop. The. War. On. Drugs. Stop it NOW. Legalize all those drugs.......pot, white powder, brown/black powder/sticky stuff.....legalize all drugs........stop the CIA from secretly financing all those black ops by way of the drug trade of mostly opium and heroin..........no sane US citizen buys mexican dirt weed....we grow much better pot here....laughin....

As I said before........talking about the illegal drug trade and the violence around it, is THE red herring of immigration reform. Those things are not connected at all......

[Toughy]

killing a whole bunch of folks on both sides IS NOT the answer...................

the drug trade across the southern border is a police issue.....the war on terror and the war on drugs needs to go away.....terrorism/drug&human trafficking is not a military battle............it's a police battle.......

military troops and/or war is never ever ever the answer for drug/human trafficking and terrorism............these are matters best handled by law enforcement and courts..

[Rook]

I'm a little confused here..
Last time I checked, we had a Canadian border as well..
If for whatever reason, Obama suffered a brainfart and agreed to military enforcement, at least on our side of the Border with Mexico, what makes you think Drug pushers/human traffickers/Gun Smugglers won't just try a different Venue {if they're not already doing it}, Saskatchewan, Manitoba & British Columbia seem to have big enough borders to try stuff, no?
Then of course, there's the Pacific Coast, East Coast, Gulf of Mexico coast...
If you think they won't bother figuring how to smuggle things by Water, you need to spend some time on the East coast and west coast of Puerto Rico, Jamaica & Dominican Republic/Haiti...
So, what you're suggesting is, Military presence at all these Borders?
I think I've seen that somewhere...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Demilitarized_Zone

[little man]

Originally Posted by Toughy

There is no sane reason to send US or UN troops to Mexico.....to even suggest that speaks to hegemony, American Exceptionalism, white privilege, blah blah blah...just because we have a history of intervening, with military force, in other countries business is not an excuse for anything....Last I heard...........Mexico is not requesting military intervention from anyone.........

Stop. The. War. On. Drugs. Stop it NOW. Legalize all those drugs.......pot, white powder, brown/black powder/sticky stuff.....legalize all drugs........stop the CIA from secretly financing all those black ops by way of the drug trade of mostly opium and heroin..........no sane US citizen buys mexican dirt weed....we grow much better pot here....laughin....

As I said before........talking about the illegal drug trade and the violence around it, is THE red herring of immigration reform. Those things are not connected at all......

i'e always kind of enjoyed dirt weed. hard to find, though.

[lipstixgal]

Well after reading this thread I'm going to rethink my relocation plans someplace else!! I thought that Arizona could be a nice place to live but if they pass that law or passed it I just don't agree with stopping people who are brown or Mexican or whatever color, its a shame a real shame.

[The_Lady_Snow]