Ebola, news and discussion

SleepyButch · 10-13-2014, 06:29 AM

I want to talk about a different angle on this thing, the dogs that are testing positive for Ebola. That terrifies me and not in the sense that I'm afraid I'm going to get it from a dog but because of the recent euthanasia of the Spanish pup Excalibur.

The Dallas nurse who has tested positive for the virus has a dog as well. Her dog tested positive. They do not believe that it can be transmitted from dog to human but it definitely can be transmitted from person to dog.

The Mayor of Dallas says they aren't going to euthanize her dog, which I am happy about because if I were her, sick in the hospital, I wouldn't be able to concentrate on healing if I knew my dogs were in danger of being killed. An article today said that her dog is held up in her apartment and being monitored by the humane society.

I fear that this thing will set off such a panic that people will find out where she lives and kill her dog themselves.

Yes, of course I care about the people. I'm an RN myself. I was in Fort Worth the weekend that the first patient got admitted to the hospital. But I'm also an avid animal lover and don't think that dogs should be put down before we even know what is going on with this thing.

*Anya* · 10-13-2014, 08:35 AM

I hope it does not prove to be true. I have not read the study that said dogs can get it without showing symptoms. I don't know who did the study or what kind of statistics they have but will try to find it. I hope the study is validated before people are reactive.

From USA Today:

Unlike in Spain, Dallas Ebola patient's dog will be saved

Rick Jervis, USA TODAY 7:27 a.m. EDT October 13, 2014

DALLAS — The health care worker who tested positive for Ebola has a dog, but the mayor of Dallas says unlike in a recent Spanish case, the dog will be kept safe for eventual reunion with its owner.

Mayor Mike Rawlings told USA TODAY that the dog remained in the health care worker's apartment when she was hospitalized and will soon be sent to a new location to await its owner's recovery.

There are no plans to euthanize the dog, he said.

"This was a new twist," Rawlings said. "The dog's very important to the patient and we want it to be safe."

There were no immediate details on the name or type of dog.

In patient's neighborhood, business as usual — almost-. Brad Smith, of CG Environmental, will lead the effort to decontaminate the patient's East Dallas apartment. He said he has been alerted that the patient's dog is still inside and will work with members of the local SPCA branch and Dallas animal control officials to remove it from the apartment.

"We'll assist with that," Smith said. "We have the (personal protection equipment) that needs to be worn."

In Spain, the Madrid regional government said last Wednesday that it had euthanized Excalibur, the pet of the Spanish nursing assistant being treated. The dog was sedated to avoid suffering. After death its corpse was "put into a sealed biosecurity device and transferred for incineration at an authorized disposal facility," according to a statement from the Madrid government, Associated Press reported.

Spanish officials said the dog was killed because it posed a risk of transmitting the disease to humans. There is no documented case of Ebola spreading to people from dogs, but at least one major study suggests dogs can get the disease without showing symptoms. Experts say they are uncertain what risk that poses to humans.

The Spanish health ministry said the nursing assistant, Teresa Romero Ramos, is in stable condition and showing signs of "slight improvement," the AP reported Sunday.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...-dog/17159727/

*Anya* · 10-13-2014, 08:43 AM

The study on dogs was done by CDC researchers in March, 2005.

If you have interest in reading the study:

http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/11/3/pdfs/04-0981.pdf

TruTexan · 10-13-2014, 08:51 AM

I still have a concern about Humans as well as dog transmission. If humans can spread Ebola to Dogs, then what will it take for that transmission to become the reverse and how long could that take. I also wonder if it affects the animal in the same ways it affects humans, can it kill them? If dogs can get it from humans, can they spread it to other dogs? I have tons of questions about this that there seems to be no information on that I can find.

As with the Equine disease that made the vector jump to humans, as well as the swine flu making vector jumps to humans, and bird flu making vector jumps to humans, what's to say this can't be done over time with Ebola making that vector jump from dogs to humans.

It's already been said that humans eating infected fruit bats as a delicacy made an ingestion jump to humans, what's to stop that ingestion jump from dogs to humans in countries where dog meat is a delicacy?
I know it's difficult to talk about this, but I just thought I'd bring it up.

MsTinkerbelly · 10-13-2014, 09:34 AM

The thought of my dog suffering from Ebola bothers me more than having it myself. I know that thinking is hard for some people to understand, but animal lovers know what i mean.

All of this makes me want to go live in the hills with my family, away from everyone. Over-reaction i know, but frankly I'm getting really nervous.

Thank you for posting the study Anya, now off to read it.

Jesse · 10-13-2014, 11:09 AM

I read a couple of articles the other day regarding dogs and Ebola. One said dogs can get Ebola but it runs it course with few to little symptoms and doesn't effect them like it does humans and other animals. The other said dogs have antibodies and though they do not contract the virus they are carriers.

Here is an interesting article from the World Health Organization about Ebola. In one section it states that Ebola is transferred from many sorts of animals in the wild.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs103/en/

purepisces · 10-13-2014, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SleepyButch

I fear that this thing will set off such a panic that people will find out where she lives and kill her dog themselves.
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I'm happy to say that the dog is in the custody of Dallas Animal Services at an undisclosed location.

SleepyButch · 10-13-2014, 08:09 PM

Great. I am very happy to hear this. Thanks for posting!

10-13-2014, 06:29 AM	#1
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10-13-2014, 08:35 AM	#2
Anya Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: Lesbian non-stone femme Preferred Pronoun?: She, her Relationship Status: Committed to being good to myself Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: West Coast Posts: 8,258 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 39,306 Thanked 40,449 Times in 7,285 Posts Rep Power: 21474858	There is no documented case of Ebola spreading to people from dogs, but at least one major study suggests dogs can get the disease I hope it does not prove to be true. I have not read the study that said dogs can get it without showing symptoms. I don't know who did the study or what kind of statistics they have but will try to find it. I hope the study is validated before people are reactive. From USA Today: Unlike in Spain, Dallas Ebola patient's dog will be saved Rick Jervis, USA TODAY 7:27 a.m. EDT October 13, 2014 DALLAS — The health care worker who tested positive for Ebola has a dog, but the mayor of Dallas says unlike in a recent Spanish case, the dog will be kept safe for eventual reunion with its owner. Mayor Mike Rawlings told USA TODAY that the dog remained in the health care worker's apartment when she was hospitalized and will soon be sent to a new location to await its owner's recovery. There are no plans to euthanize the dog, he said. "This was a new twist," Rawlings said. "The dog's very important to the patient and we want it to be safe." There were no immediate details on the name or type of dog. In patient's neighborhood, business as usual — almost-. Brad Smith, of CG Environmental, will lead the effort to decontaminate the patient's East Dallas apartment. He said he has been alerted that the patient's dog is still inside and will work with members of the local SPCA branch and Dallas animal control officials to remove it from the apartment. "We'll assist with that," Smith said. "We have the (personal protection equipment) that needs to be worn." In Spain, the Madrid regional government said last Wednesday that it had euthanized Excalibur, the pet of the Spanish nursing assistant being treated. The dog was sedated to avoid suffering. After death its corpse was "put into a sealed biosecurity device and transferred for incineration at an authorized disposal facility," according to a statement from the Madrid government, Associated Press reported. Spanish officials said the dog was killed because it posed a risk of transmitting the disease to humans. There is no documented case of Ebola spreading to people from dogs, but at least one major study suggests dogs can get the disease without showing symptoms. Experts say they are uncertain what risk that poses to humans. The Spanish health ministry said the nursing assistant, Teresa Romero Ramos, is in stable condition and showing signs of "slight improvement," the AP reported Sunday. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...-dog/17159727/ __________________ ~Anya~ Democracy Dies in Darkness ~Washington Post "...I'm deeply concerned by recently adopted policies which punish children for their parents’ actions ... The thought that any State would seek to deter parents by inflicting such abuse on children is unconscionable." UN Human Rights commissioner

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10-13-2014, 11:09 AM	#6
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MsTinkerbelly Timed Out - TOS Drama How Do You Identify?: ... Preferred Pronoun?: ... Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: ... Posts: 6,573 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 30,737 Thanked 22,906 Times in 5,017 Posts Rep Power: 0	The thought of my dog suffering from Ebola bothers me more than having it myself. I know that thinking is hard for some people to understand, but animal lovers know what i mean. All of this makes me want to go live in the hills with my family, away from everyone. Over-reaction i know, but frankly I'm getting really nervous. Thank you for posting the study Anya, now off to read it.

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