It's Time to Boycott Arizona

[MsDemeanor]

Go for it UofMfan!

*heads to other room to make popcorn and grab comfy spot on sofa*

[SuperFemme]

Originally Posted by MsDemeanor

Go for it UofMfan!

*heads to other room to make popcorn and grab comfy spot on sofa*

Follows MsD quickly to remove all children from the room and wipe the spaghetti-oh's off her seat on the sofa.

[UofMfan]

Originally Posted by weatherboi

i am totally up for the discussion of decrimializing marijuana

Originally Posted by MsDemeanor

Go for it UofMfan!

*heads to other room to make popcorn and grab comfy spot on sofa*

Originally Posted by SuperFemme

Follows MsD quickly to remove all children from the room and wipe the spaghetti-oh's off her seat on the sofa.

Ok, if I must... (I suck at starting threads, really)

[MsDemeanor]

Originally Posted by SuperFemme

Follows MsD quickly to remove all children from the room and wipe the spaghetti-oh's off her seat on the sofa.

Aw, how sweet of you!

[SuperFemme]

Originally Posted by MsDemeanor

Aw, how sweet of you!

Now we can smoke a joint. I'm sick.

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by HowSoonIsNow

YouTube- Kristol praises new AZ immigration law


of course, the white guys cannot believe that a POC would be stopped due to their brown skin or Hispanic accent (with the one person who IS a POC tellling them, umm...no, they will!)

Especially THIS white guy!!

Originally Posted by Jess

If there is always a good side to every bad situation, then perhaps this latest "maverick " action on the part of AZ goverment will FORCE congress/ senate to take more immediate action toward the simplifying the legalization process.

I fear that until the Fed government steps up and handles the business of running this country properly, more states ( particularly border states) will try to take the reigns in their own hands and we can see how that is working.

What we can do :

http://org2.democracyinaction.org/o/...ction_KEY=2481

Thanks for the link. My hope is that some concentrated rallies with people from within and outside of AZ will take place. I'm game. I think it is important for non-Latino people to join forces and articulate outrage.

[Jess]

Originally Posted by AtLastHome

Especially THIS white guy!!



Thanks for the link. My hope is that some concentrated rallies with people from within and outside of AZ will take place. I'm game. I think it is important for non-Latino people to join forces and articulate outrage.

Absolutely! We sit half a country or world in some cases apart from one another and see this shit daily. Instead of yelling at the poor folks living with this shit, we need to be seeking ways we can help from our own little corner of the world! Amen!

[apretty]

AMERICAN arrested for driving while brown and not having the correct papers.

(sheriff joe is a disgusting piece of garbage that makes his own rules, constantly at odds with the POLICE department of phoenix. he's a criminal and his people chained a woman to her hospital bed, forcing her to GIVE BIRTH while in handcuffs.)

[UofMfan]

Originally Posted by apretty

AMERICAN arrested for driving while brown and not having the correct papers.

(sheriff joe is a disgusting piece of garbage that makes his own rules, constantly at odds with the POLICE department of phoenix. he's a criminal and his people chained a woman to her hospital bed, forcing her to GIVE BIRTH while in handcuffs.)

I thought the LAW doesn't go into effect until August, what gives?

And yes, Sheriff Joe is all those things and more.

[apretty]

Originally Posted by UofMfan

I thought the LAW doesn't go into effect until August, what gives?

And yes, Sheriff Joe is all those things and more.

sheriff joe makes his own rules, he says he's been "enforcing immigration" for 3 years. i'm sure that really means, pulling over brown people for 50 years.

[UofMfan]

And something I always see in these conversations is a very distinct difference between parents and non-parents. I might live a few miles from a city here in CA that has one of the highest rates of street murder among kids of color, but I don't get up every morning wondering if my kid will make it home from school. I didn't have this on me when I was raising my son even with the typical worries that parents have. A whole hell of a lot changes if you become a parent, no matter if biologically, via adoption, fostering, as a guardian or as a co-parent with a partner (Yup, making a point about all of the types of parenting!)

AtLastHome, as a parent, for 28 years, I have to say that I disagree with this statement. We can take it up on the other thread if you wish, as I don't want to derail this one. Perhaps I just need clarification. Thank you.

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by Jess

Absolutely! We sit half a country or world in some cases apart from one another and see this shit daily. Instead of yelling at the poor folks living with this shit, we need to be seeking ways we can help from our own little corner of the world! Amen!

Yes, we do! Any other links to organizations putting together events (or analysis) is greatly appreciated...

Link for MALDEF (Mexican American Legal Defense Fund)-

http://www.maldef.org/

[Toughy]

I heard an interesting spin of this bill on the radio. It seems AZ has tons and tons of newly registered Democratic Party folks and guess what...... they are almost all brown........

So if you want to intimidate new brown voters........hey just put a rent a cop in an uniform and station him/her outside the polling place to stare at all the brown folks waiting to vote or better yet put a real cop out there and have him/her check every brown person in line to see it they have their proper papers..........

The governor of AZ was the Secretary of State before she was moved up and apparently she tossed hundreds of brown folks off the voter rolls..........She is right in there with that Harris woman down in FL around the 2000 elections.

[DeanRobert]

I to am a citizen of Arizona, Phoenix to be exact and I live in the Maryvale area. Those of you that live here know that Maryvale is predominately, about 80% Hispanic.

Please do not take what I am about to say and turn it into something else. There are parts of this bill that I agree with and other parts that I don’t.
I have sat here out of fairness to all of you and read each and every post.

No one has taken the time to post the actual bill on line for all to read. Those of you that want to take the time and read this bill you can find it at www.kpho.com.

Do I think parts of this bill can and will result in racism, yes most likely it will, there are bad apples in all of the police departments but there is a true need for Arizona to enact some kind of immigration legislation.

For example:

[1]Arizona arrests and deports the largest amount of illegal immigrants in the United States with estimates rising to over 450,000 the past 10 years. Right now it is estimated that there are over 40,000 a year that pass over our border.

[2]We spend over 300 million a year on just on medical, and social services for them. This does not count what we spend to educate their children. Our state budget is in crises and can’t keep supporting those that are not here legally.

[3]The last 5 police officers here killed in the line of duty, were killed by illegal immigrants that had arrest warrants on them. One of our largest and most respected cattle ranchers was killed on his own property by an illegal immigrant that the police followed for over 20 miles until he passed back into Mexico.

[4] The last 2 governors of this state have asked Presidents Bush and Obama repeatedly for help in securing our borders with out any response or action s coming from the White House.

[5] Arizona is the leader in human trafficking. The immigrants pay “Coyotes”, smugglers, to bring them across the border, many ending up here in Phoenix at drop houses where they are then moved onto other states and through out the country. The vast majority are held against their will while their families are forced to pay a ransom for their freedom. Many of the women are raped, their only other choice is to escape or hope to be freed by one of the local police task forces. Many die in the vast desert that they must cross to enter. Some die in police chases while packed into trucks and other vehicles.
Is this the price they must pay to enter??

So for me in closing, if you’re here legally and have gone through the process, or were born here then welcome you have nothing to fear. Every person in the world has basic human rights that is a given and they deserve to seek out and improve their lives.

P.S. Sheriff Joe deserves a whole other thread all to himself, he has so run his course as sheriff here, yet we still put him in office time and time again.

[Corkey]

The law is unconstitutional. AZ is usurping the federal mandates. There is no justification for racial profiling, and the way to change things is thru Federal legislation. Yes joe is another thread altogether.

[Jess]

Originally Posted by Toughy

I heard an interesting spin of this bill on the radio. It seems AZ has tons and tons of newly registered Democratic Party folks and guess what...... they are almost all brown........

So if you want to intimidate new brown voters........hey just put a rent a cop in an uniform and station him/her outside the polling place to stare at all the brown folks waiting to vote or better yet put a real cop out there and have him/her check every brown person in line to see it they have their proper papers..........

The governor of AZ was the Secretary of State before she was moved up and apparently she tossed hundreds of brown folks off the voter rolls..........She is right in there with that Harris woman down in FL around the 2000 elections.

Are these newly registered voters citizens or folks who have a drivers license? Not to get into a big bruhaha, but here in VA we allow non-legal residents to get a drivers license so they can vote, yet don't give them citizenship. Isn't filling out one set of papers as easy as filling out another? Democrats aren't doing anyone any favors with this fake sense off security for non-legal residents.

[apretty]

i can only hope that someone is kind enough to deport me back to california before i run into another well-meaning and misguided individual that thinks mexicans are "stealing their jobs".

(tip: immigrants pay taxes and they also boost arizona's economy by a BILLION dollars each year.)

[apretty]

hey there, your facts are one-sided. care to detail what immigrants do FOR arizona?

thanks!

Originally Posted by DeanRobert

I to am a citizen of Arizona, Phoenix to be exact and I live in the Maryvale area. Those of you that live here know that Maryvale is predominately, about 80% Hispanic.

Please do not take what I am about to say and turn it into something else. There are parts of this bill that I agree with and other parts that I don’t.
I have sat here out of fairness to all of you and read each and every post.

No one has taken the time to post the actual bill on line for all to read. Those of you that want to take the time and read this bill you can find it at www.kpho.com.

Do I think parts of this bill can and will result in racism, yes most likely it will, there are bad apples in all of the police departments but there is a true need for Arizona to enact some kind of immigration legislation.

For example:

[1]Arizona arrests and deports the largest amount of illegal immigrants in the United States with estimates rising to over 450,000 the past 10 years. Right now it is estimated that there are over 40,000 a year that pass over our border.

[2]We spend over 300 million a year on just on medical, and social services for them. This does not count what we spend to educate their children. Our state budget is in crises and can’t keep supporting those that are not here legally.

[3]The last 5 police officers here killed in the line of duty, were killed by illegal immigrants that had arrest warrants on them. One of our largest and most respected cattle ranchers was killed on his own property by an illegal immigrant that the police followed for over 20 miles until he passed back into Mexico.

[4] The last 2 governors of this state have asked Presidents Bush and Obama repeatedly for help in securing our borders with out any response or action s coming from the White House.

[5] Arizona is the leader in human trafficking. The immigrants pay “Coyotes”, smugglers, to bring them across the border, many ending up here in Phoenix at drop houses where they are then moved onto other states and through out the country. The vast majority are held against their will while their families are forced to pay a ransom for their freedom. Many of the women are raped, their only other choice is to escape or hope to be freed by one of the local police task forces. Many die in the vast desert that they must cross to enter. Some die in police chases while packed into trucks and other vehicles.
Is this the price they must pay to enter??

So for me in closing, if you’re here legally and have gone through the process, or were born here then welcome you have nothing to fear. Every person in the world has basic human rights that is a given and they deserve to seek out and improve their lives.

P.S. Sheriff Joe deserves a whole other thread all to himself, he has so run his course as sheriff here, yet we still put him in office time and time again.

[apretty]

Originally Posted by Jess

Are these newly registered voters citizens or folks who have a drivers license? Not to get into a big bruhaha, but here in VA we allow non-legal residents to get a drivers license so they can vote, yet don't give them citizenship. Isn't filling out one set of papers as easy as filling out another? Democrats aren't doing anyone any favors with this fake sense off security for non-legal residents.

this reads as though you're racially profiling new az-dem voters. i'm wrong, right?

[Corkey]

Originally Posted by Jess

Are these newly registered voters citizens or folks who have a drivers license? Not to get into a big bruhaha, but here in VA we allow non-legal residents to get a drivers license so they can vote, yet don't give them citizenship. Isn't filling out one set of papers as easy as filling out another? Democrats aren't doing anyone any favors with this fake sense off security for non-legal residents.

Wait a minute...non legal residents can't vote. They have to vote absentee if they are from a different US state or local, but non legal residents can't vote in the district where they are currently abiding, while having permanent residence in another local. It is against voting regulations for non US citizens to vote in any election.