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Old 05-05-2010, 06:25 PM   #41
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Guess what? He probably IS one of us. Just like Roy Cohn was. We can claim him AND know him for what he is -- ever see Angels in America?

Hey, we don't get to choose.

And conservatives hate sex and complexity and will see what they want to see. Can we worry about that? Is it good to rewrite history and ignore the truth out of fear that they might think something they already want to believe?
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people like this guy and ted hagard and the myriad of other hypocrites in the world deserve this shit and deserve everything else coming thier way....

these kinds of hypocrites are what "outing" is all about and if they didnt learn from groups like act-up and queer nation then woe is them because people love nothing more than to knock hypocrites like this piece of shit off of their proverbial fucking high horse....these people are leading a movement of hate and vitriol not only here but now they do it in Uganda, other parts of africa etc.....its disgusting and what a better and fitting end to a piece of shit like this...now maybe he will shut his mouth and crawl into the ground

this asshat is proclaiming so much hatred and bullshit like reparative therapy etc that he deserves to have the world come crashing down

some rich gay or lesbian should put their money where their mouth is like larry flynt did when the conservative movement was busting out all of the cheating politicians in washington...he put up a million dollars to anyone who could provide evidence of republican politicians who were cheating on thier wives etc....and oh how the mighty fell....Henry Hyde,, poof busted out...evan bayah...busted etc the list was long and Larry Flynt put his money where his mouth is...

bust wide out all of those lying cheating hypocrites spouting off thier hatred and bullshit and let the world see how they really are....these fuckers telling gay and lesbians how to turn themselves straight while they go do some rails of crystal meth and get serviced by rent boys

fuck that and keep busting out those pieces of shit

i hope the rent boy goes on oprah lol
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Escort Revealed in Rekers Scandal -- The Advocate

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Reached Tuesday afternoon by phone, a man purporting to be Roman repeatedly declined to discuss any details of being hired by Rekers for a recent 10-day trip to Madrid and London. “I don’t think people realize how serious this has gotten, and I would have talked about this had my privacy been respected,” Roman said, referring to his Rentboy.com profile, which was posted Tuesday byUnzipped, followed by several gay blogs.

“There’s absolutely nothing else I can say,” Roman added.


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In a Wednesday statement on his website, Rekers referred to Roman — known on his Rentboy profile as “Geo” and as “Mark” on a profile on Men4RentNow.com — as his “travel assistant” who was hired “to lift his luggage in his travels because of an ongoing condition following surgery.”

“A recent article in an alternative newspaper cleverly gave false impressions of inappropriate behavior because of its misleading innuendo, incorrectly implying that Professor George Rekers used the Rentboy website to hire a prostitute to accompany him on a recent trip,” the statement read. “Dr. Rekers found his recent travel assistant by interviewing acquaintances, and only found out about his travel assistant’s alleged prostitution activity and Internet advertisements during the trip. There was nothing inappropriate with this relationship. Professor Rekers was not involved in any illegal or sexual behavior with his travel assistant."

The Miami New Times broke the story in a Tuesdayarticle, referring to the escort using the pseudonym “Lucien.” The story was quickly followed in the LGBT media and mainstream outlets, including CBS News and TheWashington Post.

Despite his statement, Rekers intimated in a Tuesday message via Facebook toJoe.My.Godblogger Joe Jervis that he had hired the escort as part of his ongoing Christian ministry. Rekers said he shared “scientific information on the desirability of abandoning homosexual intercourse” with the young man whom he had hired.

“Like Jesus Christ, I deliberately spend time with sinners with the loving goal to try to help them,” Rekers wrote.

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i have never paid for sex, but if it's an us vs them thing, i am on the side of those who have paid for it vs those who judge others for having done it.

i sends chills up me to be considered one of "us" if "us" means those who have proudly never paid for sex. Sure prostitution everywhere has its ills. But i am so not going to judge either people who have used the services of sex workers or sex workers themselves.
i don't think paying for sex is the biggest crime out there, i hope that was evident in the rest of my post--a higher crime is hypocrisy and trying to *reform* gays, to be clear.

i didn't read my post as othering sex workers, but okay.
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What's sad is I HAD to go check out that website... rentboy.com

I'm curious like that. Can't give me a site name that makes me laugh and not have me check it out.
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“Like Jesus Christ, I deliberately spend time with sinners with the loving goal to try to help them,” Rekers wrote.

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Wow...so now he's like Jesus? I must have missed that part during bible study...
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Contrary to false gossip, innuendo, and slander about me, I do not in any way "hate" homosexuals, but I seek to lovingly share two types of messages to them, as I did with the young man called "Lucien" in the news story: [1] It is possible to cease homosexual practices to avoid the unacceptable health risks associated with that behavior, and [2] the most important decision one can make is to establish a relationship with God for all eternity by trusting in Jesus Christ's sacrifice on the cross for the forgiveness of your sins, including homosexual sins.


I wonder how he was able to do all this as he sucked his *assistants* dick...

What an ass hat!

Jesus told me to kick a juice box off his neck....
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Contrary to false gossip, innuendo, and slander about me, I do not in any way "hate" homosexuals, but I seek to lovingly share two types of messages to them, as I did with the young man called "Lucien" in the news story: [1] It is possible to cease homosexual practices to avoid the unacceptable health risks associated with that behavior, and [2] the most important decision one can make is to establish a relationship with God for all eternity by trusting in Jesus Christ's sacrifice on the cross for the forgiveness of your sins, including homosexual sins.


I wonder how he was able to do all this as he sucked his *assistants* dick...

What an ass hat!

Jesus told me to kick a juice box off his neck....
Yeah. I'm surprised he didn't cite *gay bowel disease*. Because being gay is only a behavior after all.

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i can totally see june's point but i *don't* see this false-individual as 'one of us', people i know don't build their lives around hatred and bullshit and get *caught* hiring escorts.

Right. But our "true" community does include sex workers and people who do buy sex for a variety of reasons. The difference (for me) is that while they don't necessarily shout it from the rooftops, they also aren't actively working to systematically strip us of our rights, as he did and does. (I think I just said the same thing you did, but in a way I understood it better!)

what i mean is, i see him as a *fraud* not someone who can't/wouldn't just 'be gay' i think of him as along the lines of someone that works with animals and abuses them on the side--or any kind of person living a total life of hypocrisy, for me, that means that i don't think he's now 'gay' i think at some point he began to fetishize what for him must be a 'life style' and spent his life working out his shit in/on the public (vs private, constructive therapy), which make his *secret* trysts all that more enjoyable, for him--nevermind the total destruction he causes in real, actual gay peoples' lives.

the thing with these guys, i think demonizing their own desire plays a crucial role in their fucking, and i just think that i didn't sign up to be in their dynamic, it lacks consent (yet they play it out in public!) which goes light years beyond just being false, wrong and a big ol' lie.
I bolded some things that I think are REALLY important aspects. I don't want to claim him either, but right now (which means - At this time in my life) I also believe that having sex with someone of the same gender means you are gay/homosexual/Bi/Queer what have you. All of these ID's fall under "our" umbrella, right? My willingness to allow someone to self ID falls short of letting someone (Example: Men engaging in sexual activities with other men) ID as "Straight" when they are (See example) fucking someone of the same gender, whether once in a while or all the time.

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i have never paid for sex, but if it's an us vs them thing, i am on the side of those who have paid for it vs those who judge others for having done it.

i sends chills up me to be considered one of "us" if "us" means those who have proudly never paid for sex. Sure prostitution everywhere has its ills. But i am so not going to judge either people who have used the services of sex workers or sex workers themselves.
Martina - I have also never paid for sex, but I think our community will be split on this. I support peoples rights to do whatever they want with their money or to earn money. The caveat being "As long as they are choosing to do it and no one is forcing them". With that in mind, whomever that young man is, he is not receiving any ill judgment on my part for doing what he wants to do to make a living. My only issue is with "Professor George" and of course, not even that he paid for sex, but because of all the damage he has done. In my opinion, that fucker has blood on his hands for all the "Good Works" he has done.

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I certainly dont see this person as "one of us"

Im thinking about the conservative lunatics I went to high school with, and are on my facebook.

What I have learned from them is this. They will not see that there is a difference between this person and us.

They see this person as an example of why we dont deserve the things we are fighting for. Because when creatins like this make the news, that is all my conservative aquaintances see.
Yes, this is my thought as well. News like this further marginalizes those of us who are just trying to live and fight for the same rights as other taxpayers in this country. Stories like these get used as weapons against us. And it's unfortunate and wrong. But so is Sara Palin, and people love that bitch.
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"In my opinion, that fucker has blood on his hands for all the "Good Works" he has done."

well said June him and many others have blood on their hands.......and i hope everyone of these fuckin evangelists or whatever the fuck they call themselves gets caught out in the open.....outing started out for this reason and more of them should have to face this justice imho.....
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Isn't our community having a slut night something that would totally FREAK out an outsider? I'd hate to be judged for that one night.

I can see all the points, but I still don't know that it causes those of us who live a normal life (whatever that means) erasure or invisibility.

I'm willing to learn though.

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Okay, Grandma, I see your point

So, I do stuff in my home that I don't necessarily talk about *here* or, I might even do stuff other places around people I trust that I don't necessarily talk about *here*. What I choose to do is consensual with whomever I do it with. And if someone asked me "Are you for or against BDSM?" I would say "I think people should do whatever floats their boat, as long as it's (say it with me, children) Safe, Sane & Consensual". Now to some people, what I do, regardless of who I do it with, makes me a bad person. For me, it is only a part of who I am. But, I am Queer when I engage in "Adult" activities just like I am Queer when I am doing the dishes or baking a cake, or PAYING TAXES!

Just like Heterosexual people are straight when they are doing all of the above. (I'm getting to my point, I think. Bear with me)

The thing is, we live in a sexually repressed society (The U.S), I don't know why. Most people who are still breathing have some kind of sex, but if it's NOT THE RIGHT KIND OF SEX (read Het Sex) then it becomes something Bad, Morally Wrong and Dirty. Huh. That kinda turns me on. So it stands to reason (And I loved how dress put it) that it is going to turn other people on, which of course, for a hypocritical bible thumpin' megalomaniac is just icing on the cake, right?

My point: I never cared for the phrase "Slut Night". And it's not because I don't like the word Slut. I love that word! (In the context of the aforementioned Bad, Morally Wrong and Dirty Sex). I don't think I am a Slut in the way that people tend to use it against each other. However, if people want to name a gathering "Slut Night" while I don't care for it, I also don't care enough to make an issue of it, because it's just another word that has all kinds of meanings for all kinds of people, both positive and negative. AND (finally) most of the people that I witnessed on "Slut Night" (I've only been to one) weren't dressed any more provocatively than my mother back in the 70's when she was wearing her big blonde hair, miniskirt and boots. So, it could be said that while they didn't call it that, those Parties my parents were throwing were their version of "Slut Night". I think they used to call them "Key Parties" although, I cannot say for certain that my parents actually engaged in those.

We do the same things as straight people, we just do it Queer and that's (apparently) a problem for Jesus (according to 'them'). We just get more NEGATIVE attention when we do it.
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We do the same things as straight people, we just do it Queer and that's (apparently) a problem for Jesus (according to 'them'). We just get more NEGATIVE attention when we do it.
I agree and I suppose that is the sad, sad crux of the issue.
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I am so not an expert in psychological theory, but my understanding of Jung's "shadow aspect" is that people tend to take the things they dislike about themselves and try to reject those things. But they can't really eradicate those qualities within themselves - they can only repress them.

From wikipedia - because I'm an intellectual like that -

According to Jung, the shadow, in being instinctive and irrational, is prone to project: turning a personal inferiority into a perceived moral deficiency in someone else. Jung writes that if these projections are unrecognized "The projection-making factor (the Shadow archetype) then has a free hand and can realize its object--if it has one--or bring about some other situation characteristic of its power." These projections insulate and cripple individuals by forming an ever thicker fog of illusion between the ego and the real world.


I do wish Jung hadn't used images of dark and light to make his point, but I do think he has a point that the things you repress/despise in yourself get projected onto others. I think it goes along with that saying, "The things you despise most in others are the things you despise most in yourself."
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I thought this was funny and worth a look.

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I am so not an expert in psychological theory, but my understanding of Jung's "shadow aspect" is that people tend to take the things they dislike about themselves and try to reject those things. But they can't really eradicate those qualities within themselves - they can only repress them.

From wikipedia - because I'm an intellectual like that -

According to Jung, the shadow, in being instinctive and irrational, is prone to project: turning a personal inferiority into a perceived moral deficiency in someone else. Jung writes that if these projections are unrecognized "The projection-making factor (the Shadow archetype) then has a free hand and can realize its object--if it has one--or bring about some other situation characteristic of its power." These projections insulate and cripple individuals by forming an ever thicker fog of illusion between the ego and the real world.


I do wish Jung hadn't used images of dark and light to make his point, but I do think he has a point that the things you repress/despise in yourself get projected onto others. I think it goes along with that saying, "The things you despise most in others are the things you despise most in yourself."

It all began with Shakespeare, didn't it? ~ when he wrote something along the lines of: "Methinks thou doth protest too much."

I think it was Shakespeare....

EDITED: I had to go look...yes on the Shakespeare, from Hamlet: The lady doth protest too much, methinks.



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I hear what you're saying SuperFemme....I guess the main difference for me is that, while carrying on at slut night (don't giggle Scoote...that's a hypothetical) I wouldn't also be telling other people how they should live, testifying in court, and offering myself as an expert. In my view, the only thing this twit is an expert on is hypocrisy.

Frankly, if he were living as a private person, minding his own business and letting others live the way they want to, then he can hire all the rent-boys or whatever he likes, and do whatever he wants. I won't judge...and truly don't care. He can be open about his lifestyle, keep it a secret, whatever....his call.

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I thought this was funny and worth a look.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_565763.html


Did I happen to mention that this Rekers guy looks frightening similar to my Christian fundamentalist ex~husband?



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It all began with Shakespeare, didn't it? ~ when he wrote something along the lines of: "Methinks thou doth protest too much."

I think it was Shakespeare....

EDITED: I had to go look...yes on the Shakespeare, from Hamlet: The lady doth protest too much, methinks.


Exactly - what surprises me more is that people who really are straight would, say, go to such lengths to oppress gays.

What makes a person shape their entire life around gay people, what the gays are doing, how bad the gays are, etc? I think it's gotta be a pretty short list of motivations.
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Exactly - what surprises me more is that people who really are straight would, say, go to such lengths to oppress gays.

What makes a person shape their entire life around gay people, what the gays are doing, how bad the gays are, etc? I think it's gotta be a pretty short list of motivations.
I rather imagine its a superb money maker. Many church leaders are looking to have a sinful "cause" for the vast majority to rally against. This keeps the folks in attendance at churches and listening on the airways with donations galore. NO ONE has to look at their own sins when the majority is rallied together with a greater sin to combat. "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? Matthew 7:3
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