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Interesting article that I think may be worthwhile for us to consider. It does explain Fox News et al. But also explains the effect of debate online to a degree.
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People's opionions are a fragment of their self as they know it. The more you try to change their view, the more it feels as if someone is trying to change *them*.
This doesn't surprise me in the least. |
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I can attest to this being a true statement in my own experience. Prior to my mom's death I was a card carrying conservative (was a member of the Progressive Conservatives). Today, I'm on the farther left and would be classified (in Canadian terms) as either Liberal or NDP, perhaps Socialist. So while I do agree that it's not surprising in many ways, knowing this info, how do we get those that refuse to see the facts (for whatever reason) to see them? ![]()
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I do agree with Gemme that most people perceive their beliefs as fragments of themselves, but I think that perception is wrong. I'll elaborate more later, gotta run to work. |
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I was part of the team that was establishing the first housing complex for people living with AIDS. We sent out fact sheets to the neighborhood and held press conferences and public meetings and had Drs and health commissioners present and yet, the more we gave them, the more hysterical their response became.
The problem was US, not them. We were handing them facts and telling them there was no reason to be afraid and they were screaming at us they were afraid and we simply were NOT listening. I have learned that listening to the other side as they emote, without getting stuck on if they are right or wrong, is the only compassionate thing to do. I sat with people who were terrified that their children were going to have to witness body bags be taken out while their kids were getting on or off the school bus. This of course, wasnt rational thinking nor was it likely ever to happen...but...I sat with them and listened.... These were just caring parents who didnt want their children harmed or traumatized. By the time the house was up and running I had some of the neighbors as volunteers... sometimes being right isnt as effective as doing the right thing.
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Linus - I'm glad you posted this. Its always been my contention that presenting people with facts does no good because people believe what they believe based on other varied factors. I believe we have to teach people how to think, not what to think.
It is hard to budge an entrenched belief. Many people base their beliefs on tradition (what their family taught them), religion, perception, prejudices, biases, emotions, "stories" they heard, something a friend said and so on. Presenting a fact does little to budge the embedded belief or perception. Calling someone ignorant due to their religious beliefs (because they believe in creationism over evolution, for instance) is not going to change anything or make people abandon their faith because someone is is pointing out scientific facts. I get annoyed with people who mock a person of faith because they assume this means ignorance of science or facts. I believe change is rooted in teaching people how to assess, analyze and question received information. How to think independently and logically, how to know the difference between an opinion, a fact, and emotional manipulation. I think it is important to teach people how to think, not what to think, and how to find credible information. If a person believes everyting they read online then it is not because they are ignorant or stupid it is because they have not been taught how to differentiate between a credible source and a non credible source; betweem a fact and an opinion. They don't know where to go to verify the information they are recieving. All of these skills are teachable and learnable. Unfortunately, American schools tend to teach fact bites not critical thinking. We teach children what to think, not how to assess the myriads of information so that they can make a judgement on what is credible and what it not. Melissa |
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It doesn't feel so good to think that someone is cutting you, the person down, instead of misinformation you might be holding on to. But, this article does bring much to light in the whole of it. Thanks, Linusfor posting this. Food for thought. |
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it was suppose to read, the first housing complex in our area...
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The game/experiment you mention sounds right in accordance with what I know in my life experiences. A huge change or event happens, most often suddenly and unexpectedly, and a person's way of thinking can be completely turned around and tossed inside out. One's priorities shift...change position on the great internal list of important things...and one's pov widens (or narrows) accordingly. Sometimes it's a case of changing the method of informing the people, as mentioned. Sometimes, Hell and Earth couldn't change that person's mind. Some people are black and white with hard edges and no blurring. Some are all kinds of gray with blurry images. If the right person went to the right person and presented the right information the right way, I see change. I see personal growth and evolution and the beginning of the cure for cancer. But....how often does that happen? |
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People not checking the facts is what gets them into trouble at times....ie Jim Jones followers, Hitler followers, and the list could go on and on. Education is a good thing, the more you know, the more informed you are, the less inclined you may become to being sucked into the BS and maybe, just maybe, the more inclined you are to do some research of your own.
I'm not saying this is the solution but it can be a beginning to one. ETA: the old saying Ignorance is a bliss..........ISN"T.
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And ignorance gets us into such messes! Thinking about what you say about doing research. I know it can be hard when faced with contradictory views which seem to have good forethought and arguments. So, I try to get as much info as possible to compare. I also know that information changes as more research gets done. Some theories are proven false as something is studied more. That can get confusing, but, it is that drive in finding out more that I often rely on. It means that those that are delving deeper want to get the best possible explanations and that feels noble to me. Makes me take more time in looking into things. |
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Thanks for posting the article Linus. It rings true to me. I read it last night.
I just found it so depressing that I just didn't know what to say. Then my daughter came home from my ex's place this afternoon, all emotional because her father's family were loudly saying things against us knowing she was within earshot (anti-trans*, anti-queer, etc) and I was reminded of this thread. Quote:
Which does give me hope, you know? But right now I'm still pretty upset at my ex in-laws and their hateful ignorant behaviour (not my ex, his brother and sister in law). |
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