Men with boobs.

[oneye]

Originally Posted by betenoire

where some (annoying) Femme was all up in arms about how penetration "emasculates" a Butch - that was her explanation as to why she was a "stonefemme". Fuck That. I kept saying over and over again that her statement implied that she thinks that Butches who -do- like to have their "down there's" played with are less than authentic Butches. And do you know what? SHE AGREED THAT THAT WAS WHAT SHE THOUGHT and tried to defend that it was accurate.

i soooooooooo do not want to get embroiled in this ongoing battle of the wits (and the wittiest), but i will say that, on the other site, i was the recipient of this line of judgement...that i was less because i get pleasure out of the attentions of my wife to my most private of places. i don't see how that dictates the LEVEL of butch that i am or whether or not i'm a true butch. further, i felt very put off by the notion that, although i see myself as primarily masculinely identified, the things that i share with my wife in the privacy of our bedroom somehow belittle or degrade or negate my identity...specifically my 'trans butch' identity. it doesn't seem to me that anyone but my wife and i should determine this. further, in my simple mind, it seems to me that this should be how it is in ANY relationship...gay, straight, et al.

and now, i shall await the inevitable slinging of mud. heh...

[SuperFemme]

Originally Posted by oneye

i soooooooooo do not want to get embroiled in this ongoing battle of the wits (and the wittiest), but i will say that, on the other site, i was the recipient of this line of judgement...that i was less because i get pleasure out of the attentions of my wife to my most private of places. i don't see how that dictates the LEVEL of butch that i am or whether or not i'm a true butch. further, i felt very put off by the notion that, although i see myself as primarily masculinely identified, the things that i share with my wife in the privacy of our bedroom somehow belittle or degrade or negate my identity...specifically my 'trans butch' identity. it doesn't seem to me that anyone but my wife and i should determine this. further, in my simple mind, it seems to me that this should be how it is in ANY relationship...gay, straight, et al.

and now, i shall await the inevitable slinging of mud. heh...

That's funny. I've always recv'd an inordinate amount of shit over the attentions I pay to MY Beloved's most private of places. The majority of the flack has come from other Femme's but is not exclusive to them. It never ceases to shock and upset me...that my Beloved and I are somehow *other* for the things we do to each others bodies.

[betenoire]

Oh, and I really -really- need to clarify that I don't think that anybody who is Stone is bad. Or lazy or weird or anything else. I need to clarify that before somebody takes it the wrong way and gets their feelings hurts, cuz aside from the rare case that I get a personal vendetta going (and you gotta hurt one of my friends to be on the receiving end of that) I don't like to hurt people's feelings.

I'm taking inventory in my head of the people I've dated, and it seems like I've been with as many people who were Stone as people who weren't. (There's actually only a difference of one.)

For me, I'm a pleaser. And by "pleaser" I mean I like to do whatever it is that the person that I'm with would like me to do. I have no boundaries in terms of things that I won't do, and very few in terms of things that I won't have done to me. And that includes not being squicked out if someone wants me to not touch their organic stuff. I'm comfortable either way, and perfectly happy provided that the person that I am with at that time is respected and comfortable and happy sexually. Does that make sense?

[SuperFemme]

Originally Posted by betenoire

Oh, and I really -really- need to clarify that I don't think that anybody who is Stone is bad. Or lazy or weird or anything else. I need to clarify that before somebody takes it the wrong way and gets their feelings hurts, cuz aside from the rare case that I get a personal vendetta going (and you gotta hurt one of my friends to be on the receiving end of that) I don't like to hurt people's feelings.

I'm taking inventory in my head of the people I've dated, and it seems like I've been with as many people who were Stone as people who weren't. (There's actually only a difference of one.)

For me, I'm a pleaser. And by "pleaser" I mean I like to do whatever it is that the person that I'm with would like me to do. I have no boundaries in terms of things that I won't do, and very few in terms of things that I won't have done to me. And that includes not being squicked out if someone wants me to not touch their organic stuff. I'm comfortable either way, and perfectly happy provided that the person that I am with at that time is respected and comfortable and happy sexually. Does that make sense?

Can we pretend that we both authored this post?

[betenoire]

Originally Posted by SuperFemme

Can we pretend that we both authored this post?

Yeah, cuz ilu!

[SuperFemme]

Originally Posted by betenoire

Yeah, cuz ilu!

Ilu2. I hope that is acceptable.

[The_Lady_Snow]

This is the part of the thread that people get uncomfy with, the mentioning of the vulva and it's many uses, and I know that someone out there is going to drive by read this and wrinkle their nose at the icky thought...

[betenoire]

Originally Posted by SuperFemme

That's funny. I've always recv'd an inordinate amount of shit over the attentions I pay to MY Beloved's most private of places. The majority of the flack has come from other Femme's but is not exclusive to them. It never ceases to shock and upset me...that my Beloved and I are somehow *other* for the things we do to each others bodies.

Right, so there are some very stupid people out there who not only think that our lovers are less masculine if they want us to, and that we are less feminine if we want to. Fuck that.