It's Time to Boycott Arizona

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by SuperFemme

all joking aside...
here is a sobering thought and frightening story that I fear we shall see more of.

http://article.wn.com/view/2010/05/2..._Ark_shootout/

Terribly disturbing. Yes, we will see more and more of this.

And I am with Msdeamenor with those weapons! Aj..... please beam us all up... PLEASE!!!!!

[dreadgeek]

Originally Posted by MsDemeanor

Which planet gets the scientists who know how to create interplanetary weapons?

The liberal one. Ultimately, science only really works in open societies and since the liberal society would allow scientific research to go apace without interference from the church and the other one would have the church looking over every research program for signs of doctrinal heresy, science would go further in the former. Science just doesn't do well in theocratic (or otherwise closed) societies -- look at what happened to Galileo and Copernicus or, more recently, look what happened to physics in Germany under the Nazi regime or biology under Stalinism.

Cheers
Aj

[The_Lady_Snow]

Stop the ignorance and racist, hateful rhetoric from the successor Arizona governor!! Beheadings? Contact her at http://azgovernor.gov/contact.asp and demand as a U.S. citizen that she retract her ignorance and provide data to substantiate her claims instigating bigotry and hate!! Vamos mi gente, stand up or shut up!!!



http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmem...ple_in_the.php

[Linus]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

Stop the ignorance and racist, hateful rhetoric from the successor Arizona governor!! Beheadings? Contact her at http://azgovernor.gov/contact.asp and demand as a U.S. citizen that she retract her ignorance and provide data to substantiate her claims instigating bigotry and hate!! Vamos mi gente, stand up or shut up!!!



http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmem...ple_in_the.php

You know, I watched Criminal Minds repeat last night and it was an episode about a small town police officer, in Arizona, who was doing this against the undocumented. Makes me wonder if she can't tell reality from fantas... oh wait.

She can't.

[Linus]

Originally Posted by dreadgeek

Linus:

No, no, please it would be rude for us to horde conservatives here and take Canadian conservatives as well. You know, we should share. The two countries, long history of friendship etc., and I don't know that we've ever given Canada anything...the French gave the U.S. the Statue of Liberty. I say we could give Canada the Tea Party movement as a token of our esteem and friendship. And at any rate, Canada has a lot of moose right? Conservatives like shooting moose. Everyone goes home happy--well, not the moose but you get the idea.

No need for thanks. It was nothing really.

Cheers
Aj

You did give us something: two gold medals this past year at the Olympics

And I don't think American conservatives would survive the Canadian Parliament. They'd have to learn how to issue insults without it appearing like an insult and they'd have to realize they've been insulted even from something that appears like a compliment.

And if you send Beck here, that will be reason for war. You have been warned! (and we've beaten the US once; we'd do it again and we'll inflict more Celine on you!)

Cheers, eh!

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by Linus

You did give us something: two gold medals this past year at the Olympics

And I don't think American conservatives would survive the Canadian Parliament. They'd have to learn how to issue insults without it appearing like an insult and they'd have to realize they've been insulted even from something that appears like a compliment.

And if you send Beck here, that will be reason for war. You have been warned! (and we've beaten the US once; we'd do it again and we'll inflict more Celine on you!)

Cheers, eh!

I think Canada gives the US hope. A country next door that has a nationalized health care system, a country in which same-sex marriage is legal throughout and a country in which the transgendered can receive treatment via the health care system. Oh, and there are the Canadian Rockies which are the grandest in the world.

When I was there last, I was amazed at how Canadians saw GW Bush as he really is, an idiot!

Actually, I don't wish Beck on Canada at all! Never!! May he rest where the sun does not shine.. We just cannot do this to our northern neighbor!

[dreadgeek]

Originally Posted by TheBellyBionic

This, exactly. Refusing to condemn actions which are clearly wrong in every way denotes nothing so much as a complete *lack* of any kind of ethics. I feel that I have a very strong sense of ethics, and those ethics mean that I absolutely will stand up and say "No, there is definitely a difference between right and wrong. Slavery was wrong. Jim Crow laws were wrong. Apartheid is wrong. There is nothing redeeming or debatable about any of these things. They're just wrong. Always, in any era, at any time, always wrong." Kobi, you say "who am I to judge?" I don't. I, as a person with ethics, am an excellent judge of right and wrong. I, a person with ethics, am absolutely *obligated* to judge right from wrong. I find it incredibly disturbing that anyone could claim otherwise. I'm horrified that anyone could actually say that they can't judge the actions of the past. If you can't judge the past, then why should any of us trust you to make good decisions in the future? If you can't say whether or not slavery was wrong, why should any of us think that you'd stand against it happening again?

Originally Posted by AtLastHome

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You are right on here, Aj. I often look around at some of the wing-nut garbage today and wonder.... Would these people stand up against forms of the past transgressions today? My gut fear is they would not. and cry that they didn't know it was happening just as so many did while Jews (and others) were being gased in concentration camps (just on

ALH:

I have to call something out here. Ordinarily I would let Belly do this because I don't fight her battles but you addressed me so it's my responsibility. Since it was public and since this is an example of something Belly has complained about generally here (so I'm not trying to make you the scapegoat) I'm doing this out in the open. If this was something better handled privately I apologize in advance.

You responded to me, but those thoughts are Belly's. Yes, it's something I might have said. It's certainly something I absolutely believe to be true. But Belly came into our relationship already believing that. She gets me. I get her. So it shouldn't be surprising that we would think a lot alike.

On another thread, Belly complained about butches not taking femme's seriously. This is what that looks like. Belly is a very intelligent woman and she has her own opinions. When she's posting, she's expressing *her* opinions. Opinions that I assume she arrived at on her own. I know that she did not have them fed to her by me.

On the larger point, femme's deserve to be taken seriously. We butches should take them seriously, we should do so because they deserve it and we should do so because if feminism means anything at all it means taking women seriously as human beings.

Cheers
Aj

[dreadgeek]

Originally Posted by Linus

You did give us something: two gold medals this past year at the Olympics

The lemon juice and salt was just what that wound needed, thank you.

And I don't think American conservatives would survive the Canadian Parliament. They'd have to learn how to issue insults without it appearing like an insult and they'd have to realize they've been insulted even from something that appears like a compliment.

Actually I think that would be good for them. Character building, one might say.

And if you send Beck here, that will be reason for war. You have been warned! (and we've beaten the US once; we'd do it again and we'll inflict more Celine on you!)

Cheers, eh!

There's no need to go straight to the Singers of Mass Destruction! Wasn't Bryan Adams enough? What did we EVER do to you to rate that?

Cheers
Aj

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by dreadgeek

ALH:

I have to call something out here. Ordinarily I would let Belly do this because I don't fight her battles but you addressed me so it's my responsibility. Since it was public and since this is an example of something Belly has complained about generally here (so I'm not trying to make you the scapegoat) I'm doing this out in the open. If this was something better handled privately I apologize in advance.

You responded to me, but those thoughts are Belly's. Yes, it's something I might have said. It's certainly something I absolutely believe to be true. But Belly came into our relationship already believing that. She gets me. I get her. So it shouldn't be surprising that we would think a lot alike.

On another thread, Belly complained about butches not taking femme's seriously. This is what that looks like. Belly is a very intelligent woman and she has her own opinions. When she's posting, she's expressing *her* opinions. Opinions that I assume she arrived at on her own. I know that she did not have them fed to her by me.

On the larger point, femme's deserve to be taken seriously. We butches should take them seriously, we should do so because they deserve it and we should do so because if feminism means anything at all it means taking women seriously as human beings.

Cheers
Aj

I actually did not mean to do this at all, I knew full well it was Belly's post. I feel terrible for the slip. And do apologize. I do remember reading both you and Belly's posts in one sitting... and I just typed Aj. You certainly do not need to tell me that Belly is one hell of an intelligent woman.

I would have preferred that you did PM me as this was just a slip of names due to knowing you as a couple and nothing more. A human error. Your comments about taking femmes and feminist ideology to me seems a bit off as I am a rock solid feminist and one of my Master's Degrees is in Women's Studies as well as my doctorial dissertation was on sex-roles and women's oppression (back in the day). As a woman and a feminist, and past professor of feminist and women’s studies, I certainly do take us seriously.

This was a simple error without any ill intent whatsoever and I did not think you wrote the post. I just mixed-up names, that's it.

[dreadgeek]

Originally Posted by AtLastHome

I actually did not mean to do this at all, I knew full well it was Belly's post. I feel terrible for the slip. And do apologize. I do remember reading both you and Belly's posts in one sitting... and I just typed Aj. You certainly do not need to tell me that Belly is one hell of an intelligent woman.

I would have preferred that you did PM me as this was just a slip of names due to knowing you as a couple and nothing more. A human error. Your comments about taking femmes and feminist ideology to me seems a bit off as I am a rock solid feminist and one of my Master's Degrees is in Women's Studies as well as my doctorial dissertation was on sex-roles and women's oppression (back in the day). As a woman and a feminist, and past professor of feminist and women’s studies, I certainly do take us seriously.

This was a simple error without any ill intent whatsoever and I did not think you wrote the post. I just mixed-up names, that's it. [/QUOTE]

I did not mean to imply that you were not a feminist and I didn't necessarily think it intentional. I appreciate your owning it and certainly would defer to you on questions of feminist theory.

Belly pointed the post out to me and I had seen it earlier in the day but every time I went to respond, the phone rang. Because I've seen femme's dismissed in ways both blatant and subtle, this seemed as good a time as any to point out one manifestation of this. It was not meant as a personal attack and my statement of feminism was not meant to convey any impression that I didn't think you were a feminist.

All theory aside--and theory is important--I think that my feminism most comes alive in how I treat other women. It is the most concrete expression of it. I hope that in how I engage with people here I treat the femme's in our midst as I treat my fellow butches. I hope that the femme's feel that I take them and their thoughts seriously because to me those are the beginning and end of feminism--as a personal ethic--for me. Everything else is commentary.

Again, no offense was meant.

Cheers
Aj

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by dreadgeek

I would have preferred that you did PM me as this was just a slip of names due to knowing you as a couple and nothing more. A human error. Your comments about taking femmes and feminist ideology to me seems a bit off as I am a rock solid feminist and one of my Master's Degrees is in Women's Studies as well as my doctorial dissertation was on sex-roles and women's oppression (back in the day). As a woman and a feminist, and past professor of feminist and women’s studies, I certainly do take us seriously.

This was a simple error without any ill intent whatsoever and I did not think you wrote the post. I just mixed-up names, that's it. [/COLOR][/FONT]

I did not mean to imply that you were not a feminist and I didn't necessarily think it intentional. I appreciate your owning it and certainly would defer to you on questions of feminist theory.

Belly pointed the post out to me and I had seen it earlier in the day but every time I went to respond, the phone rang. Because I've seen femme's dismissed in ways both blatant and subtle, this seemed as good a time as any to point out one manifestation of this. It was not meant as a personal attack and my statement of feminism was not meant to convey any impression that I didn't think you were a feminist.

All theory aside--and theory is important--I think that my feminism most comes alive in how I treat other women. It is the most concrete expression of it. I hope that in how I engage with people here I treat the femme's in our midst as I treat my fellow butches. I hope that the femme's feel that I take them and their thoughts seriously because to me those are the beginning and end of feminism--as a personal ethic--for me. Everything else is commentary.

Again, no offense was meant.

Cheers
Aj[/QUOTE]



[COLOR="Black"]Oh, I see your point and feel terrible for the blunder. I certainly also have seen countless dismissals of femmes on these sites. Although, I honestly do feel the Planet is much more feminist-friendly, really. And mods pick up on sexism far better than the old site. Does feel different to me. So much so, I left the other site completely. Not that I do not appreciate the fact that it did connect me to some fantastic people.

Absolutely how women treat other women is crucial!

Now, I have been thinking about the topic at hand in terms of how many other states and municipalities have been developing more such pieces of legislation based upon... the Federal government isn't doing its job.

It appears that the GOP is doing the usual legislative blocking of all things Democratic with actually getting somewhere with immigration reform. I'm glad Obama pointed this out recently and that a bill co-authored by McCain was kicked to the curb a couple of years ago.

I know so much about all of this go no where until after the mid-terms and if the GOP does pick up seats and the House reverts to a GOP majority, this will be even more of a mess. And the fact is that we do need sane, compassionate immigration reform. The Dems must hammer out the fact that the population of un-documented immigrants already in the US are staying! And a means for them to become legal (and citizens if that is what they desire) is critical in demonstrating that the US does indeed have a stake in having these people become part of the country in every way.

My only hope is that the Latino population is the fastest growing group of voters coming up. There needs to be a big voter registration drive going on and not just in border states. Latino candidates need to be supported (guess I do want that to be Democratic candidates!). This really needs to be a mass social movement. This can’t just keep going on.[ I feel that the amnesty variable is a major sticking point among the GOP and wing-nuts like the tea-baggers. It has to be taken on!

The fact is, there are many, many, many people that believe that the US should round up every illegal person in the US and ship back to their country of origin. They have no problem with spending the billions that would involve. They won't even talk about any other portion of immigration reform without this contingency! Crazy as it is! I'm not even talking about the crazzies here- there are countless middle of the road people that sit on the side of those people are here illegally, period./COLOR]


My own take on dealing with this in order to see immigration reform is for studies of just how the Latino populations that received amnesty during Reagan's administration have contributed to the the US. They began a life with not fearing authorities, thus stopped hiding and put $ in banks, got leases for homes, or even bought a home as their jobs were secure. They started businesses that contribute to the tax base, etc. They pay taxes, go to PTA meetings and take care of their family. Their children became educated and have been able to enter the professions. Now their children are doing the sam. Many did not have the need to engage in any illegal activity to survive. Crime decreased within this population. We have the single most forceful data in front of us to shut down those that want illegals deported right in front of us and we are not using it. And this goes to a major sticking point blocking reform.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Let us mobilize and make this day count mi raza!! "Day Without Latinos in America" - Economic Boycott!! "No Mas" - "No More"

"Day Without Latinos in America" - ECONOMIC BOYCOTT
Location:The WHOLE United States of America
Time:12:30AM Thursday, July 8th

[The_Lady_Snow]

With the state of Arizona in the brink of financial meltdown and a separatist image, the ignorant, bigot successor Arizona governor allocating $250K to combat negative state image!! The damage of this beautiful state has been done and no PR Campaign will change neither sugar coat the racist agenda of the white, angry, hateful GOP!!

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...93-503544.html

[SuperFemme]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

With the state of Arizona in the brink of financial meltdown and a separatist image, the ignorant, bigot successor Arizona governor allocating $250K to combat negative state image!! The damage of this beautiful state has been done and no PR Campaign will change neither sugar coat the racist agenda of the white, angry, hateful GOP!!

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...93-503544.html

maybe if the raised the fine for beheadings?

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by SuperFemme

maybe if the raised the fine for beheadings?

I know my mother and I did a few, here lemme show ya..

[SuperFemme]

the last beheading i was invited to was saddam hussein. oh. wait.
white men beheaded him.
my bad.

[AtLast]

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzDlN7VLmXQ"]YouTube- Brewer to Obama: Warning Signs Are Not Enough[/nomedia]

Brewer is so nuts!!!

[UofMfan]

Justice Department To File Lawsuit Challenging Constitutionality Of Arizona Immigration Law

BOB CHRISTIE | 07/ 6/10 12:52 PM | AP


PHOENIX — The U.S. Justice Department is filing a lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of Arizona's new law targeting illegal immigrants, setting the stage for a clash between the federal government and state over the nation's toughest immigration crackdown.

The planned lawsuit was confirmed to The Associated Press by a Justice Department official with knowledge of the plans. The official didn't want to be identified before a public announcement planned for later Tuesday by Attorney General Eric Holder and Homeland Security secretary Janet Napolitano, a former Arizona governor.

The lawsuit will argue that Arizona's law requiring state and local police to question and possibly arrest illegal immigrants during the enforcement of other laws such as traffic stops usurps federal authority.

The government will likely seek an injunction to delay the July 29 implementation of the law until the case is resolved.

The government contends that the Arizona law violates the supremacy clause of the Constitution, a legal theory that says federal laws override state laws. It is already illegal under federal law to be in the country illegally, although the punishment and enforcement tactics of the Arizona are much more severe.

Tuesday's action has been expected for weeks. President Barack Obama has called the state law misguided. Supporters say it is a reasonable reaction to federal inaction on immigration.

Prior to seeing the lawsuit or receiving any official notification, Gov. Jan Brewer's spokesman called the reported decision to sue "a terribly bad decision."

"Arizona obviously has a terrible border security crisis that needs to be addressed, so Gov. Brewer has repeatedly said she would have preferred the resources and attention of the federal government would be focused on that crisis rather than this," spokesman Paul Senseman said.

Three of the five Democrats in Arizona's congressional delegation, who are facing tough re-election battles, had also urged Obama not to try to block the law from going into effect.

"This lawsuit is a sideshow, distracting us from the real task at hand," Democratic Rep. Ann Kirkpatrick said in a statement Tuesday. "A court battle between the federal government and Arizona will not move us closer to securing the border or fixing America's broken immigration system."

The law requires officers, while enforcing other laws, to question a person's immigration status if there's a reasonable suspicion that they are in the country illegally.

Arizona passed the law after years of frustration over problems associated with illegal immigration, including drug trafficking and violent kidnappings. The state is the biggest gateway into the U.S. for illegal immigrants, and is home to an estimated 460,000 illegal immigrants.

Obama addressed the Arizona law in a speech on immigration reform last week. He touched on one of the major concerns of federal officials, that other states were poised to follow Arizona by crafting their own immigration enforcement laws.

"As other states and localities go their own ways, we face the prospect that different rules for immigration will apply in different parts of the country," Obama said. "A patchwork of local immigration rules where we all know one clear national standard is needed."

The law makes it a state crime for legal immigrants to not carry their immigration documents and bans day laborers and people who seek their services from blocking traffic on streets.

The law also prohibits government agencies from having policies that restrict the enforcement of federal immigration law and lets Arizonans file lawsuits against agencies that hinder immigration enforcement.

Arizona State University constitutional law professor Paul Bender said the federal government's involvement throws a lot of weight behind the argument that federal law pre-empts Arizona's measure.

"It's important to have the federal government's view of whether state law is inconsistent with federal law, and they're the best people to say that," Bender said.

Kris Kobach, the University of Missouri-Kansas City law professor who helped draft the Arizona law, said he's not surprised by the Justice Department's challenge but called it "unprecedented and unnecessary."

He noted that the law already is being challenged by the American Civil Liberties Union and other groups opposed to the new statute.

"The issue was already teed up in the courts. There's no reason for the Justice Department to get involved. The Justice Department doesn't add anything by bringing their own lawsuit," Kobach said in an interview.

[Linus]

Originally Posted by UofMfan

Arizona passed the law after years of frustration over problems associated with illegal immigration, including drug trafficking and violent kidnappings. The state is the biggest gateway into the U.S. for illegal immigrants, and is home to an estimated 460,000 illegal immigrants.

This section is interesting since crime in Arizona is at it's lowest and the amount of deportation of "illegal immigrants" is at it's highest. What ever happened to non-partisan reporting?

[UofMfan]

Originally Posted by Linus

This section is interesting since crime in Arizona is at it's lowest and the amount of deportation of "illegal immigrants" is at it's highest. What ever happened to non-partisan reporting?

Mainstream media has been partial for years now. This is why I read a lot of non-mainstream media to balance things out.

Gov. Brewer was quoted as saying that "illegal immigrants" have been decapitating American Citizens in AZ so this law is really needed.

I swear, makes me wonder who in their right mind doesn't see the racism behind this.