the Femme Rules the Butch Rules

[BullDog]

No, I still don't understand, but I don't think you are asking me a question anyway so I really don't think it matters.

[Corkey]

OFFS, no Bully I wasn't asking you anything.... what is the topic please, cause I'd really like to participate if there is actually a point to this thread.

[BullDog]

Originally Posted by betenoire

Ender, I don't think for one moment that any of the people who objected to the OP didn't also recognize that it is bullshit and sexist when in the jokes original incarnation (that original incarnation being about straight women.)

I am not so stupid that I don't understand that both of the below jokes are equally appalling:

Why can't Femmes drive?
Because there's no road between the kitchen and the bedroom

Why can't Women drive?
Because there's no road between the kitchen and the bedroom

Both of those jokes are equally irritating to me, and I would personally drop down dead from shock if any of the other posters on this thread didn't ALSO find both jokes -equally- irritating.

OK Corkey, perhaps I am a little slow on the uptake. I think there is good discussion around why these types of jokes aren't funny and people are already discussing that without getting into anything with the OP. As Betenoire's post above. I think there is plenty to discuss.

[Corkey]

It is offensive because it is sexist, it is misogynistic, it is dull and sophomoric. The OP is now informed by a whole lot of folks with out one flame as far as I can see. So what is there left to discuss, how we clip our toes? My attempt at humor, directed to no one in particular.

[betenoire]

I am probably a bit of a hypocrit, since I make jokes about me and Nick parroting "traditional" male/female roles.

Mind you, when I do it it drips with irony. When I joke about all the stuff that I have to ask Nick's permission to do - it's because he, zeus, the cats, and now all of you know that I never ask permission to do ANYTHING and even if I did it would be cursory because he'd never be able to stop me from doing anything I felt like doing - and he wouldn't try. (Possibly he wouldn't try because he knows it would be a waste of his time, however.)

(Another favourite joke of mine is the one about how now I'm gonna go do the dishes and make the apartment look nice for "my man". Please, it's fairly common knowledge that there are at least 4 loads of laundry overflowing the hamper and a zillion dvds strewn all over the couch at any given moment. Poor Nick.)

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by betenoire

Ender, I don't think for one moment that any of the people who objected to the OP didn't also recognize that it is bullshit and sexist when in the jokes original incarnation (that original incarnation being about straight women.)

I am not so stupid that I don't understand that both of the below jokes are equally appalling:

Why can't Femmes drive?
Because there's no road between the kitchen and the bedroom

Why can't Women drive?
Because there's no road between the kitchen and the bedroom

Both of those jokes are equally irritating to me, and I would personally drop down dead from shock if any of the other posters on this thread didn't ALSO find both jokes -equally- irritating.

Rather obvious that both are obnoxious, infantile and sexist. What the hell is wrong with people?

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by Tranzman

I feel better about us as a community finding ways to encourage the togetherness and ways that we work well together rather than any of this blank-verses-blank stuff!

I agree and think the OP should do what I recerntly did when making the same "vs" mistake..... report themselves and ask that the the thread be closed. Did this even though other thread titles have "vs" in them because I felt the members offended (as is true here) deserve my listening to them due to a communiy consenses. And it is one thing if one or two people take offense without solid grounds and quite another when many do and have the same basis, with sound reasoning and the spirit of the site's TOS (sexism and a transphobic slant, really that gemme caught) for complaint.

If a thread is going to bring on negative stances and just offends a lot of members, it isn't additive to the site. Sometimes an idea just flops and has nothing do with any ill intent of the OP at all..

[WolfyOne]

Personally, I think if the thread was retitled, it could be a learning lesson for anyone new to this site or to the communities we all live in. I see plenty of posts here that are well written and worthy of reading whether you're new or not. I for one am always impressed with what I read by others and what I care to take with me when I leave a thread.

[SuperFemme]

I think the word of the week is VERSUS.

I'm glad tomorrow is Sunday.

Nerd? I love your name and welcome.

[BullDog]

Originally Posted by SuperFemme

I think the word of the week is VERSUS.

I'm glad tomorrow is Sunday.

Nerd? I love your name and welcome.

LOL, yeah must be a world record for thread titles. I think in most instances it has meant to compare rather than to compete (as in us vs. them) and I have been puzzled by some of the responses. However comparisons can also be problematic at times.

Note to self: don't ever put vs in a thread title

[SuperFemme]

My very first post on a b/f site ages ago was me jumping into a poly thread saying that I "wasn't morally capable" of doing poly.

It has taken 8 years for my ass to grow back.

Bah.

You live, you learn. I just want to make sure that Nerd knows we really ARE a loving bunch (with an extremely high nerd population).

So Nerd, don't mind us. Your ass will grow back, and this place really is super special in tons of ways.

[waxnrope]

Maybe, in addition to "educating" a new person to the site, we have learned how to approach ... not allowing the error to pass, but not being so volatile as to defeat our purpose by having the recipient of our collected angst just shut down.*shrugs* I don't know. Maybe the holiday weekend tempered...

I'll keep checking, tho, to see if I should send salve ....

[Ryobi]

Originally Posted by WolfyOne

Personally, I think if the thread was retitled, it could be a learning lesson for anyone new to this site or to the communities we all live in. I see plenty of posts here that are well written and worthy of reading whether you're new or not. I for one am always impressed with what I read by others and what I care to take with me when I leave a thread.

You being one of the "worthy of reading", retitling is a good idea. I agree we can all learn from threads like this. But, what would it be called? There's so many like it. I guess some one could start a thread "how not to get your ass ripped off". lol.

I agree also with being nice to new comers. When I read the first post, I wanted to give the benefit of the doubt, and I still do. I just can't help feeling though, the benefit of the doubt is a lot to still be asking for in this matter.
When I re-read the entire thread, the Monty Python skit "how not to be seen" ran through my head. lol. Poor Nerds merely stood up a bit from the shrubbery and it Blew up. lol

Nerds, welcome to the planet. We're not try to teach you "how not to be seen". I think it's more like hoping folks can see some things differently.

[waxnrope]

I like that, Ryobi. Thanks.
Maybe when newbies register, there should be a sign that tells them, "Newbies read this..... with an arrow pointing to a thread called by one of the names above. Or, Ass slings here ...?

[Toughy]

I actually find the thing sexist period. It is offensive to any and all female-bodied/woman folks. It is also offensive to men of all stripes.

It plays on stereotypical gender roles and frames any and all women as...........well Snow put it best.....something about controlling cunts. It makes men stupid and passive nitwits also.

I don't believe Nerd has come close to getting flamed. Nerd has not even received an ass bite, much less a chomping. We are becoming nice...........mmmmmmmmmmm

[waxnrope]

Is there a dentist in the house?

[SuperFemme]

Originally Posted by Jackhammer

This is the second thread Ive removed the word VERSUS from tonight.
I'm on a roll.

go jack
go jack

it's your vs. day
it's your vs. day

i'll be here every saturday in months that have 12 days

[Ryobi]

Can we just call it, "The Femme rules the Butch" and see how that thread goes?

[Julie]

Originally Posted by Toughy

I actually find the thing sexist period. It is offensive to any and all female-bodied/woman folks. It is also offensive to men of all stripes.

It plays on stereotypical gender roles and frames any and all women as...........well Snow put it best.....something about controlling cunts. It makes men stupid and passive nitwits also.

I don't believe Nerd has come close to getting flamed. Nerd has not even received an ass bite, much less a chomping. We are becoming nice...........mmmmmmmmmmm

There is no question in my mind the OP in it's entirety was offensive and sexist, among other descriptives. However...

I am going to make the assumption that Nerd is either young or perhaps based on their geographic location (Netherlands) might not have been afforded the intellectual environment so many of us had in this community, by our community. Again, I might be insulting Nerd this very moment with my very assumptions.

Personally, after reading each and every post -- I am feeling more positive, in that this has turned into an open ground for communication. If we give ass whoopin's and beat down a person, who perhaps just doesn't get it, because they don't have the same experiences as us. We might turn somebody away, who might make a difference in our community one day. I have been out for 30 years in this community, but there was a time, when I was just plain young and stupid and thankfully... I had older femmes and butches to sit down with me and have open conversations, without feeling shamed.

Just remember this... If it were not for the strength of the butches and femmes before us, where might we be? We have a responsibility to our younger generations and those coming out, to guide and educate, so they in turn can help another. Otherwise, where will we be in a hundred years?

Julie

[Corkey]

So glad that Versus is gone. Perhaps newbies should have a page they go to first explaining that one persons humor isn't necessarily an entire sites? Nah, perhaps reading the tos and understanding it might help. So glad no feathers were scorched in the education of Nerds. We are becoming.....nicer...cringes.