Olivia Cruisers? Carribean Sun Cruise October 30th

Toughy · 09-09-2010, 09:26 PM

good grief Strappin.............

I already said I thought it was a bad decision for the other site to hold a b/f gathering directed at folks from that website on Olivia Cruises. Did you not read those posts?

I also said dragging crap from the other site over here was troubling to me.

And this thread was started by a femme who is going on the Oct Olivia Cruise and wondered if anyone else was going.

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even then with Blaze sharing the story, it was like eh it was 8 year ago and well we really don't have the full story, cause well his words were not good enough?

First..........please don't put your own spin on my very clear post. I never said Blaze's words were not good enough. You said that. I was clear to say I was NOT implying any such thing.

8 years is a long time. We don't know the entire story of what happened on the dock when Blaze and friends decided to move their vacation party to the boat. We know the parts Blaze shared. As I said.........there is NO, absolutely NO judgment in saying that. It's a simple statement of fact with no charge behind it.

We also have had two b/f couples (where butches showed up to dinner in ties) say they had no problems at all. One couple even won some game show thang in front of all of the lesbians. Do their voices not count?

What that means is what Olivia has said is true......they can't promise everyone is gonna have a good time or not be challenged based on perceived gender or gender presentation. It sucks that sometimes some lesbians act like asshats. It sucks that sometimes some b/f/t folks act like asshats. It sucks that sometime some people act like asshats.

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Folks always have mixed reviews about how they have been treated at any gathering. I could tell you stories of how Butch Femme Socials has been treated by different bars/clubs in the Bay Area. Some are great and some will make your milk curdle in a bad way. We just don't go back where we were treated like shit without some genuine apology and fence mending. We have also had some b/f/t folks at our Socials CAUSE the shit that happened due to alcohol and chest bumping.

I really do think the conclusions of Olivia discriminates and excludes folks who don't meet their criteria of lesbian are exaggerated. I think it's exaggerated to expect all or most b/f/t folks will be treated like shit. 2 out of 3 stories told here report an excellent adventure/vacation.

Discouraging and pointing out you may be confronted seems smart to me. It means they know their demographics. I still do think they should expand their business model to offer at least one cruise a year that is trans and genderqueer friendly and advertise it that way. I don't think they have to include factory direct men in that model.

Jess · 09-10-2010, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Toughy

I really do think the conclusions of Olivia discriminates and excludes folks who don't meet their criteria of lesbian are exaggerated. I think it's exaggerated to expect all or most b/f/t folks will be treated like shit. 2 out of 3 stories told here report an excellent adventure/vacation.

Discouraging and pointing out you may be confronted seems smart to me. It means they know their demographics. I still do think they should expand their business model to offer at least one cruise a year that is trans and genderqueer friendly and advertise it that way. I don't think they have to include factory direct men in that model.

Couldn't agree more ! it would just make good business sense to offer different cruises that are inclusive of different folks within the community. I mean, they have already gotten the system of procuring boats ( still not a fan of the boat) and hotels/ resorts, so I would think either expanding or creating a sister ( no pun intended) company would be a win-win.

Maybe even call it "Oliver"..