Male ID butch vs. FTM??

SelfMadeMan · 03-08-2011, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BullDog

I am happy to hear about transmen's lives and the challenges they face. It can be confusing at times because sometimes transmen seem to be quite offended when they are viewed differently from other men and sometimes they are asking to be seen as different.

I totally see what you're saying. I know many Transmen who are angered by the suggestion that they are different from bio-men. Speaking only for myself, and my experience, I view MYSELF differently than other men. And it's in a good way. I certainly don't feel like less of a man than a bio man, but our life experiences are vastly different, and I come into this with real life experience being seen by society as a woman. I've experienced opposition as a woman, I've seen how men exclude a woman's point of view in a conversation, I've experienced how differently men look at me now that I am "one of the guys" - how they look me directly in the eye when speaking to me, and it makes me sick. So no, I am not the same as a bio-man. I wasn't raised being taught by society that I am better, stronger, or more capable. I have experienced both sides, and I am proud to be a feminist and I am passionate about gender equality. And THAT is where I think we have a lot of common ground.

BullDog · 03-08-2011, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SelfMadeMan

I totally see what you're saying. I know many Transmen who are angered by the suggestion that they are different from bio-men. Speaking only for myself, and my experience, I view MYSELF differently than other men. And it's in a good way. I certainly don't feel like less of a man than a bio man, but our life experiences are vastly different, and I come into this with real life experience being seen by society as a woman. I've experienced opposition as a woman, I've seen how men exclude a woman's point of view in a conversation, I've experienced how differently men look at me now that I am "one of the guys" - how they look me directly in the eye when speaking to me, and it makes me sick. So no, I am not the same as a bio-man. I wasn't raised being taught by society that I am better, stronger, or more capable. I have experienced both sides, and I am proud to be a feminist and I am passionate about gender equality. And THAT is where I think we have a lot of common ground.

Yes, I can totally understand this. Different is not less than.

I am a different sort of woman being a butch. It doesn't make me less than other types of women.

Yes, I think we have a lot of common ground.

Thanks Mike!

greeneyedgrrl · 06-02-2011, 10:52 PM

I came into this thread waaaay on the tail end!

i just wanted to say that i appreciate being educated. i had never heard anyone id as tg butch in the ways described in the thread, nor had i heard of male id'd butch in any context, so this was an eye-opening read for sure. thank you all for your contributions/view points.

DapperButch · 06-02-2011, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by greeneyedgrrl

I came into this thread waaaay on the tail end!

i just wanted to say that i appreciate being educated. i had never heard anyone id as tg butch in the ways described in the thread, nor had i heard of male id'd butch in any context, so this was an eye-opening read for sure. thank you all for your contributions/view points.

Cool.

How is it that you have heard TG butch defined?

06-02-2011, 10:52 PM	#3
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