Lawsuit asks state to pay for inmate's sex-change operation- What do you think?

[Chancie]

Originally Posted by Luckydwg07

I understand the arguement. I think she is lucky to get continuing hormone treatments.(If to continue or not continue hormone treatments is seen as a life threating possibility thats understood.)
She is incarcerated for a reason- I say 3 hots & a cot. we have people on the outside that need tax money for just getting 1 or 2 hots a day and a shelter bed to rest on for a minimal amount of time and that includes children. When you break laws(murder- not respecting someone else right to life) don't ask for handouts from the govt to make you as you see yourself thats up to the individual. Normal citizen rights & to act freely are revoked when they are a prisoner-thats the whole idea.
Sorry but its just not All About Her.
Should be interesting to see what the ruling is

I'm curious. Do you think people who are living in jail should get prescription medicine?

[Apocalipstic]

It's a difficult question.

I agree that many prisoners do in effect have better health care coverage than many working people not in prison, which I agree seems very unfair.

I think it depends on how the courts see being Transgender and if not paying for sex reassigment surgery is seen as cruel and usual....

I really don't know where I fall on the subject, but for me a murder change would be very different than a 3 strikes drug or burglary charge....but you can't provide medical care based on whar crime was committed?

Slippery slope.
Either way.

[Gemme]

I didn't even finish the article. I got to the section that describes how she arrived into the pen. 'nuff said for me.

Does she really think that having the surgery and being moved to a woman's prison means she won't be raped? REALLY? It just means it will be with a pipe or fist instead of a penis.

I say no. I know of many, many folks here who bust their asses to make it through life towing the line and they don't commit stupid ass crimes over CLOTHES, for Christ's sake! They pay for the surgeries that are to correct nature's mistakes on their own or at least using their own energy (if they receive donations, etc). My partner and I are trying to design 1, 3, 5, and 10 year plans so that he can have the necessary surgeries that this woman wants.

So what message would this send out? If you are trans and you still need surgery, go commit a crime in CA and they'll pay for it. Nice.

This really and truly pisses me off to my very core.

[Daywalker]

Most folks are pretty skeptical about our Rehabilition methods,
or lack thereof...within the walls of our Prison systems.

And with good damn reason. There have been folks who have paid
for their debt to society, although I doubt their victims would agree.

With that said, would we still deny this request if they had robbed a bank,
or ran a finincial scheme on a childrens charity, or drunk drove themselves
behind bars? I think it is interesting how the perspective changes according
to the crime commited. Frankly, if we're gonna feed Death Row Inmates
for 20+ years, why would this expense be deemed as unacceptable?

Thinking Out Loud.

The Inmate commited a heinous crime; who is going to weigh
the crime and punishment on a scale and draw the lines?

[Gemme]

Day, you bring up a good point. There is a different 'weight', if you will, depending on the type of crime commited.

I think that the worst things someone can do is to harm/abuse/molest/rape/violate/torture/etc a child and/or to kill someone. Once you take another's life, unless it's in the act of defense, I really...personally...couldn't care if that person fell off the side of the Earth.

I know others weigh other crimes differently and that's fine. But if someone I know kills another and the person they killed wasn't trying to kill or hurt them or someone else, then I would have no problem with them going to prison and not getting any special treatment, regardless of their personal situation.

To me, her rights other than food, shelter and basic medical care went out the window when she killed someone over clothes. Clothes.

[Luckydwg07]

From DAYWALKER'S post :

. Frankly, if we're gonna feed Death Row Inmates
for 20+ years, why would this expense be deemed as unacceptable?





Thinking Out Loud.


The Inmate commited a heinous crime; who is going to weigh
the crime and punishment on a scale and draw the lines?


MY REPLY Post:

Very true however lets not through out the baby with the bath water.
nourishment is a necessity for All. Boobs for One transexual is a necessity - shes going a mind F*%# on society
deathrow , life in prison not a fix.... option to sign a consent form as test subject for cancer ,aids drugs and the like thats more of a form of giving back to the society but is it conpensation for murder & will she kill again? nothing gets canceled out but where do the guilty party's desires become legitimate

[Rockinonahigh]

If what im fixing to post makes someone mad,I appologise righ now,but I got to wright it.

I have worked for years as many of us do and have,I followed the law and stayed out of trouble cause im wired that way.Over the last 64 years I have done my best to live with what I had to live with and for the most part as I wanted to.Over the las 20 or so years I live as a male,Im just being me as I am,perfect, no its not.I wish I could have the surgeries to change how my body is but I will never have the cash to do so.I would only have top surgery done cause I can always strap it on.I already had a hysto so im half way there sa far as I can see.To think someone who had comitted a crime and doing a lotta time can have srs to make them live better flys in the face of every trans person who has done all the work to do all this themselves but what ever leagle means they use..work,saveing acount,tax refund ect.I do really feel for them, but they did the crime so in my eyes they gave up the right to use my tax money to have srs.Houseing,food,clothing proper medical care fine with me..the rest Bull s*%t.

[Daywalker]

Originally Posted by Rockinonahigh

If what im fixing to post makes someone mad,I appologise righ now,but I got to wright it.

I have worked for years as many of us do and have,I followed the law and stayed out of trouble cause im wired that way.Over the last 64 years I have done my best to live with what I had to live with and for the most part as I wanted to.Over the las 20 or so years I live as a male,Im just being me as I am,perfect, no its not.I wish I could have the surgeries to change how my body is but I will never have the cash to do so.I would only have top surgery done cause I can always strap it on.I already had a hysto so im half way there sa far as I can see.To think someone who had comitted a crime and doing a lotta time can have srs to make them live better flys in the face of every trans person who has done all the work to do all this themselves but what ever leagle means they use..work,saveing acount,tax refund ect.I do really feel for them, but they did the crime so in my eyes they gave up the right to use my tax money to have srs.Houseing,food,clothing proper medical care fine with me..the rest Bull s*%t.

Yes!

I agree.



It brings to mind, although completely a separate issue ~ driving by the
corners and parks where our homless live on what they can scrape
together to eat, etc...and our Prisoners are fed 3 squares.


Or they can always order a Snickers n shit like that from the Jail Store.


Many of us have paid into a system that will likely never yield
back to us the same. The Injustice of these such situations
indeed, seem desperately...out of our (the gen pop) hands.

[SelfMadeMan]

I say no. She is in there for murder - and with committing a heinous crime, you lose the right to live life on your terms. If she is truly in danger, there means of keeping her out of general population. But paying for her SRS to me is outrageous when there are law abiding, hard working transpeople out there busting their asses trying to pay for SRS - and no one's giving them any handouts. As for prescription meds - if it's medically necessary I do think prisoners should have access to that.

[DapperButch]

Seems as though they keep popping up. Just thought people may be interested in this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1..._lnk3%7C118018

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by Gemme

I didn't even finish the article. I got to the section that describes how she arrived into the pen. 'nuff said for me.

Does she really think that having the surgery and being moved to a woman's prison means she won't be raped? REALLY? It just means it will be with a pipe or fist instead of a penis.

I say no. I know of many, many folks here who bust their asses to make it through life towing the line and they don't commit stupid ass crimes over CLOTHES, for Christ's sake! They pay for the surgeries that are to correct nature's mistakes on their own or at least using their own energy (if they receive donations, etc). My partner and I are trying to design 1, 3, 5, and 10 year plans so that he can have the necessary surgeries that this woman wants.

So what message would this send out? If you are trans and you still need surgery, go commit a crime in CA and they'll pay for it. Nice.

This really and truly pisses me off to my very core.

Good point about rape in prison- no matter the gender.

You bring up my initial feelings when this story hit our CA news waves. I know a lot of transpeople that do exactly this- do a financial plan for surgeries- totally out of pocket. These are tax paying people here in CA. In some situations, insurance coverage is utilized- but damn few. The hormone treatment also needs doc visits, blood work, follow-ups, etc. Then there can be individual problems to work through.

I have no problem with basic medical care for inmates- and I don't distinquish between the crimes they committed. I do, however, as you state- don't give a flying hooray about sexual predators that kill and torture. I worked too long in victim's rights advocacy and with sexually abused kids and 99.9% of those cases in which I did expert whitness work, the perp was not new to the criminal justice system. He or she had perpetrated before.

I think a diabetic ought to get insulin, etc. and chemo therapy for inmates with cancer- essential medical treatment. Food and shelter.

Until or unless the state of CA is going to pay for these kinds of services for all transgendered people, or there are changes in insurance coverage for everyone, I am opposed to this.

Frankly, I'm more concerned for the safety and well being of public emplyees that work in prisons.

[Luckydwg07]

Originally Posted by Chancie

I'm curious. Do you think people who are living in jail should get prescription medicine?

I'll take a bite
Yes I suppose so but to me prescription is an umbrella term.(a control that requiers a doc's consent ~doesn't mean it's necessary) to keep a person alive ,for physical pain sure. the prisoner in question is on death row if she doesn't get what she desires then she will suffer psychologically~ in prison she should be prescribed medication for disappointment.

[Daywalker]

Originally Posted by Chancie

I'm curious. Do you think people who are living in jail should get prescription medicine?

Yes.


When I did not, it spawned a 26,000 word non-fiction story
of what happened to me when they did not.

http://sirdaywalker.com/send-the-pain-below/