Small Plane Crashes in Austin Tx

blush · 02-19-2010, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfwalker

and the sheep march on.

what about the 6000 plus soldiers dead.plus all those who will never return to a normal life. who come home from war and end up homeless and uncared for? hmmmmm anyone out there trying to stop wars that make no sense?

amazing, just simply amazing.

you all believe every detail put out there by a govt. known to lie,cheat and steal from their people.

also amazing how quickly people will jump on and defend people from other countries taking action against their govt. but when an american does it. its home grown terrorism.

you all need to open your eyes and start looking at whats going on right here in this country. but you won't do that till the govt. can no longer keep you afloat and docile. when shit starts breaking down and you are affected. long as they keep you fat and happy, yup its homegrown terrorism. till you are the one getting fucked over. then you too will become a home grown terrorist.

but you won;t call it that then, then it will be about you and your families survival.

I'm done with you. Perhaps it is because this is my hometown. Perhaps it is because it happened minutes from my child's school.

This is not about what the government did or did not do to him. This is about handling it like a grown ass adult and not taking it out on defenseless, innocent people who have a reasonable expectation that they can go to work and not have a plane intentionally rammed into their building.

Fat and happy? Didn't he have a private plane? He sounds pretty fat and happy and white to me.

You, however, are baiting this thread with your nonsense.

wolfwalker · 02-19-2010, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by blush

I'm done with you. Perhaps it is because this is my hometown. Perhaps it is because it happened minutes from my child's school.

This is not about what the government did or did not do to him. This is about handling it like a grown ass adult and not taking it out on defenseless, innocent people who have a reasonable expectation that they can go to work and not have a plane intentionally rammed into their building.

Fat and happy? Didn't he have a private plane? He sounds pretty fat and happy and white to me.

You, however, are baiting this thread with your nonsense.

baiting??? hardly. I am speaking what i know to be true.oh wqait, thats right if someone does not agree with you. its baiting. remember the first amendment?

~Bo · 02-19-2010, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfwalker

baiting??? hardly. I am speaking what i know to be true.oh wqait, thats right if someone does not agree with you. its baiting. remember the first amendment?

OK. So let me get this straight. You believe what this ass did was ok? And you believe it was ok because he was pissed at the US Gov't.

And are you saying that you would do the same thing if you got made enough? Cause that's what it's sounding like to me.

I wonder if you'd feel ok about this if it was YOUR family member who was one of his victims.

wolfwalker · 02-20-2010, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ~Bo

OK. So let me get this straight. You believe what this ass did was ok? And you believe it was ok because he was pissed at the US Gov't.

And are you saying that you would do the same thing if you got made enough? Cause that's what it's sounding like to me.

I wonder if you'd feel ok about this if it was YOUR family member who was one of his victims.

my family members have been victims of violence. my mother was shot and killed in front of me when i was 4 yrs. old. my father being a police officer was shot and almost died protecting the citizens of this country. he also fought in ww2. i have family members who were killed and some injuried doing their jobs.

that being said, i did not act out in violence as a result. any more questions?

Dude · 02-20-2010, 09:59 AM

This guy really showed them ,didn't he?

Leaving his wife and daughter with absolutely nothing, I guess he showed them too.

He will be remembered as the nutcase who flew into the IRS building in Austin and left his family with zilch.
Nothing more.

Similar to the nut who bulldozed his house so the bank would not get it.
(of course he didn't harm anyone so it really does not compare except in terms of the mentality)
Cry baby men who cant endure reality.
Pathetic losers if you ask me.
Poor baby ,he was surely gonna lose his plane.
How grandiose must his thinking have been to think his pound would do a fuckin thing?

The IRS has this little thing called a payment plan ( lucky for me)
Of course I hated them for having to pay all that money but
mostly I hated myself for getting myself in that mess to begin with.

I feel awful for his family and the innocent victims.

deranged? yes
hero ? as far from that as you can get in my book

Ashlea? · 02-20-2010, 10:08 AM

Aren't we chipper?

Never called him a hero, but you apparently are one of those "I'll shh and pay the unlawful taxes, lordy lordy don't haul me away" types, so I won't continue arguing.

Hurts getting fucked by the iron dildo of a government.

Dude · 02-20-2010, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashlea?

Aren't we chipper?

Never called him a hero, but you apparently are one of those "I'll shh and pay the unlawful taxes, lordy lordy don't haul me away" types, so I won't continue arguing.

Hurts getting fucked by the iron dildo of a government.

I presume you are talking to me.

No , I assure you I am far from chipper ,ever.(although I love the word)

Color me a wus for wanting to have a house and good credit because I paid them?
Would it be the more intelligent choice to end up in prison and/or have a hefty tax lien
haunting me the rest of my life?

~Bo · 02-20-2010, 10:11 AM

How any of you can condone this act of violence in any way, shape or form is ridiculous.

And frankly a little scary.

Ashlea? · 02-20-2010, 10:14 AM

pft...Here we go.

I never said I condone his behavior. Did I?...No,No I did not. Easy on the trigger tiger

I said look at the problem behind this. Why did he do this? Once again, i'll stop right there.

Cyclopea · 02-20-2010, 10:15 AM

He probably had a psychotic reaction to some pharmaceutical they'll pull off the market in a year or two.
Glad he didn't kill more people.

Diva · 02-20-2010, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dude~a~Licious

This guy really showed them ,didn't he?

<snip>

Similar to the nut who bulldozed his house so the bank would not get it.

Did he get a permit from the city to do that?

~Bo · 02-20-2010, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Diva

Did he get a permit from the city to do that?

Boy, they have permits for everything these days, don't they!!

~Bo · 02-20-2010, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by wolfwalker

my family members have been victims of violence. my mother was shot and killed in front of me when i was 4 yrs. old. my father being a police officer was shot and almost died protecting the citizens of this country. he also fought in ww2. i have family members who were killed and some injuried doing their jobs.

that being said, i did not act out in violence as a result. any more questions?

Yeah....how bout my question of if you think what he did was ok because he was mad at the gov't?

wolfwalker · 02-23-2010, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ~Bo

Yeah....how bout my question of if you think what he did was ok because he was mad at the gov't?

He was attacking the govt. which screwed him over something fierce. he set the house on fire so the IRS would not get anything out of it. do you think the govt. gives a shit about his wife and child? they were taking the house period.

they do it often. pay your pound of flesh or lose everything you own and end up homeless. payment plan? after slapping on their punishment fees. they proceed to take everything you own. thats their payment plan.

i think what he did was what he saw as the only thing left to do after watching them take everything he had.

remember the boston tea party?

Rufusboi · 02-23-2010, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by wolfwalker

He was attacking the govt. which screwed him over something fierce. he set the house on fire so the IRS would not get anything out of it. do you think the govt. gives a shit about his wife and child? they were taking the house period.

they do it often. pay your pound of flesh or lose everything you own and end up homeless. payment plan? after slapping on their punishment fees. they proceed to take everything you own. thats their payment plan.

i think what he did was what he saw as the only thing left to do after watching them take everything he had.

remember the boston tea party?

From what I've been reading though it doesn't sound like it was a one time thing with this guy. He has had IRS problems for 20 years. Some of it had to be of his own doing. He is not blameless. I don't see him as a victim of the IRS. He sees himself as this helpless victim and that's where I have a problem with him. Then he turns around and victimizes innocent people. But this whole victim mentality really irks me. It isn't any secret what the IRS does if you screw around with taxes. Its not that hard to keep records. Its not that hard to hire someone to do your taxes for you. Its not that hard to pay your taxes (well it is painful writing that check every quarter). But you get my meaning. I'm not supporting the IRS or making any comments about tax laws, taxing, tax rates, fairness and so on etc. And I know people get fed up paying taxes and seeing how the money is wasted by the government. I'm talking about this guy and his lack of personal responsibility.

Rufus

Linus · 02-23-2010, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by wolfwalker

He was attacking the govt. which screwed him over something fierce. he set the house on fire so the IRS would not get anything out of it.

If he set his house on fire as a statement to the gov't, why did he do it with his wife and kid inside (who, from what I remember reading, barely managed to get out)?

And, I could be mistaken but his estate is still responsible for the taxes. This means his wife will likely be left with the bill at the end of all this.

I don't think he took the best way out. He took the way that was the most selfish and self-serving. If he wanted to be courageous, why not stand up and find legal issue with them or pay the taxes, sell everything and live off the grid where they can't go after him for his taxes.

I got dinged last year by Canada (who's tax service is no less friendly than the US's) and paid what I owed, well aware of the interest I'd have to incur for any late fees. I've been audited (scary but I made it through). Part of being a member of society and a community is paying into the communal pot every year for the services that are provided, many that aren't so obvious. We whine about taxes but we would and do whine when services get cut. Those things cost money and in a country the size of the US, it ain't a cheap process.

Do gov't make mistakes? Yes.

Can I address those with a gov't official? Yes.

Is it worth killing myself or others over? No.

The US, to me, feels like it's at an all-time high in the midst of a "I want, I want, I want" society. And if we don't get what we want, we whine, cry, rant and generally behave like spoiled toddlers. I don't see this getting easier nor do I see events like this, unfortunately, being the only incident. I think we'll see others for a while yet as the overall market still settles.

~Bo · 02-23-2010, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfwalker

He was attacking the govt. which screwed him over something fierce. he set the house on fire so the IRS would not get anything out of it. do you think the govt. gives a shit about his wife and child? they were taking the house period.

they do it often. pay your pound of flesh or lose everything you own and end up homeless. payment plan? after slapping on their punishment fees. they proceed to take everything you own. thats their payment plan.

i think what he did was what he saw as the only thing left to do after watching them take everything he had.

remember the boston tea party?

He attacked the gov't by aiming his plane at a building full of people????????? How is that attacking the govt. Really bad aim?
He attacked innocent people. Period.

This guy graduated from high school near where I live. People around here who knew him say he was extremely intelligent.
So don't be telling me that he didn't know EXACTLY what he was doing and who he would be killing.

02-20-2010, 10:15 AM	#10
Cyclopea Member How Do You Identify?: Butch Lesbian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Exit Zero Posts: 1,267 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 1,694 Thanked 1,615 Times in 632 Posts Rep Power: 226201	He probably had a psychotic reaction to some pharmaceutical they'll pull off the market in a year or two. Glad he didn't kill more people. __________________ http://forum.axishistory.com/images/...arious/eye.jpg

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Dude Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Butch Relationship Status: Perusing Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: exit 5 with an exit 21 goal Posts: 1,725 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 15,351 Thanked 10,605 Times in 1,477 Posts Rep Power: 21474854	This guy really showed them ,didn't he? Leaving his wife and daughter with absolutely nothing, I guess he showed them too. He will be remembered as the nutcase who flew into the IRS building in Austin and left his family with zilch. Nothing more. Similar to the nut who bulldozed his house so the bank would not get it. (of course he didn't harm anyone so it really does not compare except in terms of the mentality) Cry baby men who cant endure reality. Pathetic losers if you ask me. Poor baby ,he was surely gonna lose his plane. How grandiose must his thinking have been to think his pound would do a fuckin thing? The IRS has this little thing called a payment plan ( lucky for me) Of course I hated them for having to pay all that money but mostly I hated myself for getting myself in that mess to begin with. I feel awful for his family and the innocent victims. deranged? yes hero ? as far from that as you can get in my book

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Ashlea? Timed Out How Do You Identify?: Butchhhh Relationship Status: Ramalamadingdang Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: NY Posts: 22 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 6 Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts Rep Power: 0	Aren't we chipper? Never called him a hero, but you apparently are one of those "I'll shh and pay the unlawful taxes, lordy lordy don't haul me away" types, so I won't continue arguing. Hurts getting fucked by the iron dildo of a government.

02-20-2010, 10:11 AM	#8
~Bo Senior Member How Do You Identify?: FTM Preferred Pronoun?: He Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: PA Posts: 1,590 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 2,247 Thanked 1,680 Times in 742 Posts Rep Power: 13485855	How any of you can condone this act of violence in any way, shape or form is ridiculous. And frankly a little scary.

02-20-2010, 10:14 AM	#9
Ashlea? Timed Out How Do You Identify?: Butchhhh Relationship Status: Ramalamadingdang Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: NY Posts: 22 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 6 Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts Rep Power: 0	pft...Here we go. I never said I condone his behavior. Did I?...No,No I did not. Easy on the trigger tiger I said look at the problem behind this. Why did he do this? Once again, i'll stop right there.