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Old 03-10-2010, 09:20 PM   #1
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If that school does not accept federal funds, then it is not required to abide by federal nondiscrimination policies.

Quite honestly, I believe the girl has been done a HUGE favor. No matter where she goes to school now, she will know that some places are not trustworthy. I wish I had known that as a child, yanno?
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This takes the cake.
On Both sides
One has the right to Education...the kids arent queer/lesbian/gay etc.., the parents are.
On the other hand, the archdiocese has every right given by the Bill of Rights as a Religion to enforce their Belief in their Institute however they deem Proper based on their Religion guided by their Head of Church {The Pope, who, if I'm not mistaken, each Pope has publically denounced homosexuality }
The mommies really should've seen this coming a Mile away....Especially if they're catholic {Emphasis on the If cuz I dont see the ladies affiliation}
This hits close to home, I don't have children, yet..
But if I do, I would like to consult my "better half" and be able to decide which education, religious/secular/specialized would be Ideal, and non-traumatic for my children..
I wouldn't want them Miserable in Recess, or P.E., simply because their parents are Different, they have enough on their plate as it is with their own formative years ..
My parents ..well, my father -cough- insisted I attended part-time Madrassahs, in addition to Montessori, when my mother divorced, she had to put us in Public schools, that transition was Hellacious for a few reasons, in addition to learning yet another new language, that and Roman Catholicism was pretty much every where {in addition to Pentecostal}, to the point, I wanted to be in a private catholic school, since the Education seemed ...10 x better.
If I had fights{I'm sure others too}, almost on a daily basis in public junior/High..Imagine what those kids would face in a private Catholic school?
so, yeah, I agree with Aj
Keep church and state Separate, let them pick and Choose, find a better School that teaches Acceptance, maybe Tolerance...
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Home school, if you really really want them educated within Your religion/beliefs..
There are ways to socialize Home Schooled kids.
If it works for the Amish {They're not homeschooling per se, but..they stay amongst themselves for the most part, and after 8th grade, they're removed from School, for religious reasons} ~shrug~ why not?
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I want to thank everyone for having a adult conversation about this subject
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Related media info about this I have seen includes other parents at this school supporting this woman and her right to send her child to a Catholic school. I think this is positive in letting that diocese know that this is flat out discrimination.

As I said earlier, many people, including lesbians and gays (and this queer) do want their kids in religious schools due to the strength of their education. Religious schools are filled with kids that are not even of the faith they represent. It is not a requirement that a student be Catholic to attend a Catholic school. Same goes for other religious schools. In fact, parents can request that their child not be in specific religious doctrine classes in Catholic schools (Catechism) I am acquainted with. I guess the various diocese have different rules, I don't know.

In all of this, I do feel this child's civil rights are being violated especially when you consider that the school is doing this because a parent is lesbian. I also respect the mother's feelings if she indeed, does want her child to have religious teaching. No, in terms of how anti-gay the Catholic church is, this doesn't make sense, but, I certainly had experiences within Dignity (lesbian-gay Catholic offshoot) as well as Newman Centers in college that I felt comfortable within as a lesbian. Just making the point that this isn't a black & white issue in terms of the homophobia in the Catholic church. I have friends and relatives that still practice Catholicism, but attend mass, etc. in more liberal parishes in which the priests do admonish the anti-gay stance of the church. Kind of like how many other organized religions have rebel parishes and priets, etc. that go against the grain.
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If that school does not accept federal funds, then it is not required to abide by federal nondiscrimination policies.

Quite honestly, I believe the girl has been done a HUGE favor. No matter where she goes to school now, she will know that some places are not trustworthy. I wish I had known that as a child, yanno?

But, even if they did accept federal funds, currently there is no Federal Non-Discrimination Act that covers gays, lesbians and trans folks, so why would they be proteced?

Maybe I am mistaken with the law.
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In the Catholic schools in my (Ontario) area (which are entirely publicly funded), there are Muslim and Jewish (among other denominations) students, students and teachers who are divorced; students with parents who are gay; and teachers who are living with their partners. I don't know of an Out gay teacher as of yet, however.

There is also talk of GSA's (Gay/Straight Alliances) being formed in Catholic schools in my area (a handful of public schools have them already).

Interesting thread.
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But, even if they did accept federal funds, currently there is no Federal Non-Discrimination Act that covers gays, lesbians and trans folks, so why would they be proteced?
I don't know the law exactly, but I'm pretty sure no public school in the US can expel a student for being gay--or for their parents' being gay.

Does anyone else know?
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_lesbian_prom_date

Ok i came accross this one now .. What the hell is wrong with this world..

Constance McMillen didn't believe her Mississippi school district would really call off her senior prom rather than allow her to show up with her girlfriend and wear a tuxedo.

Holy hell why the hell can't she bring who she wants to the prom she is paying for her tickets right...
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It's Time for Gays to Start Discriminating Against the Catholic Church

In beautiful Boulder, Colorado, the Sacred Heart of Jesus Catholic School is expelling a pre-schooler because the kid's parents are lesbians. The school's authorities said that the parents have to abide by the policies of the school and the church. A statement posted by the Denver Archdiocese said that the gay parents were "living in open discord with Catholic teaching." It is a religious school, after all.

The protesters were out in force with signs that reminded us that God loves all. I understand their anger and emotional display, but I think they are wasting their time.

I think it was a mistake for the lesbian couple to place their child in this school in the first place. I think they should get their child out of the school as quickly as they can and never look back. I think all gay people who are in this faith should renounce it right now and find a new place to worship. They are obviously not wanted. I think the Catholic Church should be left alone to be what it is without anyone in the church having to make any apologies or waste time beating around the bush about how they conduct themselves. First Amendment!

Let the record speak for itself. The Catholic Church does not approve of homosexuality; their position on pedophilia, however, is not as clear. I am sure most Catholics do not approve of pedophilia, but the executive branch of Catholicism seems to have difficulty convincing some of us that they are willing to do what is necessary to make sure that the members of their staff who are active sexual predators are brought to justice. I can't see any sane person not wanting someone who harms innocent children taken out of circulation as soon as possible. Relocating them is tantamount to enabling them further. Maybe there should be a television show called To Catch A Priest. I'll watch.

I think the expulsion of this child from the Sacred Heart of Jesus Catholic School is the best break the parents could have hoped for. Children should be raised in an environment of kindness and encouragement, not discrimination and ignorance.

(Good comments post-article)
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