In Celebration of Butch Femininity

The_Lady_Snow · 01-31-2014, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BullDog

I am in complete agreement. I said that in my previous post.

Good to know!

C0LLETTE · 01-31-2014, 10:45 AM

So, is that it then? -A lot of things got said.. then some hand waving by the weary, maybe some "agree to disagree" and it's over? I'm not so sure this can all be papered over so easily. It's obviously a contentious issue that keeps rearing up, over and over, and it does seem to invade many diverse threads. Maybe the weary need to let it play itself out.

Of course everyone could also be sent to their respective corners where they could only talk to their own kind but I betcha that wont work and what's the benefit of that. And, to complicate matters, it's not just what we talk about but also how and why we do it: some like the intellectual reasoning and have the vocabulary to do it, some need to vent in whatever terms are immediate; some have heard it all before; and I'm sure there are many more motivations.

Seems to me that the only solution is to: 1. make threads iron clad and have mods jump in at the first hint of divergence or tangent ( likely a path to upheaval) or 2. just let things go, pull out if you feel the thread has lost its bearings and there's little more of interest to you that is being said. The contentious issues wont die but they will go into a gentler coma for a while.

Thing is, there may be thousands of threads listed but there really do seem to be a very few themes. Everyone will surely get their chance again.

imperfect_cupcake · 01-31-2014, 11:51 AM

I hear your frustration. Perhaps opening a thread in the red zone about this issue and posting a link in this one might be a good idea. Although I don't agree with how Julie is communicating it, I fully understand her experience as I went through it when I came out as feminine into masculine in a Lesbian (as political, gender, social and feminist ID, not as a label for their sexuality). Luckily I escaped that community or I would have thought - and I did at the time - all lesbians were like that. I didn't ID as lesbian for four years because I thought that's what Lesbians WERE. I think a lot of us have been through that.
I now consider myself a queer AND a lesbian because my sexuality encompasses both. To me it's not an ID. It's just a name for PART of my sexuality. So I guess when I hear some femmes talk about "the Lesbians that told her how she was allowed to fuck and how judgemental they are" I personally hear a specific kind of lesbian and know who she is talking about, off the bat. Not all. Cause I'm a lesbian and I know she's definitely not talking about me. But then I am familiar with Julie and her posting style lol I'm just as ranty
I might not be so patient with a trans bloke I don't know going on about the Lesbians. I might get on my white horse and jab him with the pole I sometimes keep up my arse.

So sincerely, I think people have a lot to say about the issue. And if you think the conversation should be continued, start a thread and post a link.

01-31-2014, 10:45 AM	#2
C0LLETTE Practically Lives Here How Do You Identify?: Depends on the day. Preferred Pronoun?: "I" and "we" Relationship Status: Very good. Thank you for asking. Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Canada Posts: 11,501 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 16,676 Thanked 15,167 Times in 4,339 Posts Rep Power: 21474860	So, is that it then? -A lot of things got said.. then some hand waving by the weary, maybe some "agree to disagree" and it's over? I'm not so sure this can all be papered over so easily. It's obviously a contentious issue that keeps rearing up, over and over, and it does seem to invade many diverse threads. Maybe the weary need to let it play itself out. Of course everyone could also be sent to their respective corners where they could only talk to their own kind but I betcha that wont work and what's the benefit of that. And, to complicate matters, it's not just what we talk about but also how and why we do it: some like the intellectual reasoning and have the vocabulary to do it, some need to vent in whatever terms are immediate; some have heard it all before; and I'm sure there are many more motivations. Seems to me that the only solution is to: 1. make threads iron clad and have mods jump in at the first hint of divergence or tangent ( likely a path to upheaval) or 2. just let things go, pull out if you feel the thread has lost its bearings and there's little more of interest to you that is being said. The contentious issues wont die but they will go into a gentler coma for a while. Thing is, there may be thousands of threads listed but there really do seem to be a very few themes. Everyone will surely get their chance again. __________________ ______________________________ ______________________________

01-31-2014, 11:51 AM	#3
imperfect_cupcake Senior Member How Do You Identify?: feminine dolly dyke Preferred Pronoun?: Your Grace Relationship Status: I put my own care first Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: In a gauze of mystery Posts: 1,776 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 2,426 Thanked 9,711 Times in 1,611 Posts Rep Power: 21474853	I hear your frustration. Perhaps opening a thread in the red zone about this issue and posting a link in this one might be a good idea. Although I don't agree with how Julie is communicating it, I fully understand her experience as I went through it when I came out as feminine into masculine in a Lesbian (as political, gender, social and feminist ID, not as a label for their sexuality). Luckily I escaped that community or I would have thought - and I did at the time - all lesbians were like that. I didn't ID as lesbian for four years because I thought that's what Lesbians WERE. I think a lot of us have been through that. I now consider myself a queer AND a lesbian because my sexuality encompasses both. To me it's not an ID. It's just a name for PART of my sexuality. So I guess when I hear some femmes talk about "the Lesbians that told her how she was allowed to fuck and how judgemental they are" I personally hear a specific kind of lesbian and know who she is talking about, off the bat. Not all. Cause I'm a lesbian and I know she's definitely not talking about me. But then I am familiar with Julie and her posting style lol I'm just as ranty I might not be so patient with a trans bloke I don't know going on about the Lesbians. I might get on my white horse and jab him with the pole I sometimes keep up my arse. So sincerely, I think people have a lot to say about the issue. And if you think the conversation should be continued, start a thread and post a link.