It's Time to Boycott Arizona

[Corkey]

In her press conference, her last words hit me as asinine, it was almost like "come back next week to see what other fuckery I have for you!"

Insane, inane, asinine, racist, and wholly fucked up!

[Hack]

Originally Posted by Corkey

In her press conference, her last words hit me as asinine, it was almost like "come back next week to see what other fuckery I have for you!"

Insane, inane, asinine, racist, and wholly fucked up!

I watched her press conference in its entirety. I was immediately glad I was not her press secretary. And I also gained a new appreciation for some of the asshats I have worked for in the past, thinking maybe they weren't so bad afterall.

[Hack]

Let's remember that in 2008, Obama received 67 percent of the Latino vote. This was unprecedented in American politics. In 2004, John Kerry got 53 percent of the Latino vote, compared to 44 percent for George W. Bush -- the most ever received by any Republican presidential candidate.

Latinos were about 9 percent of the total vote in the Obama-McCain election. This number will continue to grow, according to every poll and analysis I have read.

Obama was more successful than any Democrat before him in pulling Latino voters. Why? He didn't talk to them like an ethnic group. If you listen to any speech he gave to a primarily Latino audience or in New Mexico, Florida, Colorado or Nevada, he spoke to Latinos about inclusive key issues -- the economy and Iraq.

Given that, I think Gov. Brewer's actions do solidify what was already a growing Democratic voting bloc. However, I think there are factions within the Latino community that remain solidly Republican -- the Cuban-Americans in south Florida are a prime example.

I'd be interested in knowing if law enforcement groups endorsed this new law or were they opposed to it? If they opposed it, it just further supports that this was a dumb political move for Brewer. It is stuff like this that swings law enforcement support in elections to the Democrats. If she is pandering to a narrow band of conservatives in her party, what has she accomplished? As a politician, she's shot herself in the foot twice -- once with Latino voters and maybe again with law enforcement.

But it did grab her an entire national news cycle for at least a day or two.

Palin, Bachmann, Brewer...a truly scary mix.

[The_Lady_Snow]

"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. THEN THEY CAME for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. THEN THEY CAME for me and by that time no one was left to speak up." Pastor Martin Niemöller

[UofMfan]

Originally Posted by Hack

Let's remember that in 2008, Obama received 67 percent of the Latino vote. This was unprecedented in American politics. In 2004, John Kerry got 53 percent of the Latino vote, compared to 44 percent for George W. Bush -- the most ever received by any Republican presidential candidate.

Latinos were about 9 percent of the total vote in the Obama-McCain election. This number will continue to grow, according to every poll and analysis I have read.

Obama was more successful than any Democrat before him in pulling Latino voters. Why? He didn't talk to them like an ethnic group. If you listen to any speech he gave to a primarily Latino audience or in New Mexico, Florida, Colorado or Nevada, he spoke to Latinos about inclusive key issues -- the economy and Iraq.

Given that, I think Gov. Brewer's actions do solidify what was already a growing Democratic voting bloc. However, I think there are factions within the Latino community that remain solidly Republican -- the Cuban-Americans in south Florida are a prime example.

I'd be interested in knowing if law enforcement groups endorsed this new law or were they opposed to it? If they opposed it, it just further supports that this was a dumb political move for Brewer. It is stuff like this that swings law enforcement support in elections to the Democrats. If she is pandering to a narrow band of conservatives in her party, what has she accomplished? As a politician, she's shot herself in the foot twice -- once with Latino voters and maybe again with law enforcement.

But it did grab her an entire national news cycle for at least a day or two.

Palin, Bachmann, Brewer...a truly scary mix.

From HuffPo:

"The Arizona Association of Chiefs of Police has sharply criticized the legislation:

The provisions of the bill remain problematic and will negatively affect the ability of law enforcement agencies across the state to fulfill their many responsibilities in a timely manner.

While AACOP recognizes immigration as a significant issue in Arizona, we remain
strong in our belief that it is an issue most appropriately addressed at the federal level.
AACOP strongly urges the U. S. Congress to immediately initiate the necessary steps to
begin the process of comprehensively addressing the immigration issue to provide
solutions that are fair, logical, and equitable."

And while the older community of Cuban-Americans are in fact mostly Republicans, there is a new wave of younger Cuba-Americans who have registered and voted Democrat. This was highly noticeable during the Presidential election where Obama was able to win Florida with the help of said group.

I also want to keep in mind that although this sorry excuse of a Governor signed the Bill into law, it was those in the House and Senate in Arizona who wrote it and passed it.

The Latino vote will not forget those facts. And John McAin't better forget any support from this community.

[The_Lady_Snow]

[Corkey]

When and if this gets to a federal court, we all know it will eventually, it will probably be challenged on Constitutional grounds. The profiling in of itself is against the law.

[AtLast]

How anyone can believe that this doesn't constitute racial profiling is beyond comprehension!

There is a part of me, however, that thinks that this action in AZ might actually end up positive in the long run (no, not the bigoted legislation). How can we possibly keep our heads buried in the sand nationwide at this point? Obviously, the constitutionality of this act will be investigated and I think it will be struck down.

Also, maybe some common sense (and hopefully, compassionate) immigration reform will come out of this. We do need to deal with these issues. There are people being treated like nothing by large argri-business as well as human trafficking assbites that only have $ on their minds.

Frankly, I think all illegal’s here now should be granted amnesty, period! Let them become tax paying, citizens that don't have to live in fear and be controlled by drug cartels and gangs! My thoughts are that if the fear they have is eradicated, we would have hard-working citizens that in the end will bring solutions to the table for immigration reform that will work. They need to be legitimate participants in the process. They are here, have been, and have a lot to offer as has been true of every single immigrant group in our history.

I know there are high numbers of Latinos that are against amnesty because they came to the US legally. And the economic times have really stoked the fires between legal and illegal immigrants. I get that, but it just seems to me that there are answers here, mainly by the Latino populations in the US themselves and frankly, I think the powers that be need to focus on what the various Latino groups have to say- and we might get somewhere. Not to mention I am sick and tired of migrant workers being treated as non-human and want them to be a legitimate part of organized labor and be able to work under humane conditions with descent wages and benefits!! You bet, I remember Caesar Chavez! Long live his legacy and contributions.

Seems like compromises among all of us have to happen in order to make a difference with immigration reform…

Just another knee-jerk liberal, here…. But I just can’t handle the cruelty and degradation going on… people dying in truck and train cars en mass (just trying to survive) makes me sick! Also, I am a Californian that believes that the state was formed illegitimately in relationship to Mexico in the beginning. can't speak for AZ or other border states.. don't have the knowledge base.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Yanno I hate to remind you all

It's not just the *latinos* breaking and entering into this country... We are just easier to pick out... Now how you think this may end in a positive note I dunno..

Here is what *I* am afraid is gonna happen

Some poor brown person (they could be any nationality) is gonna get pulled over, get upset, get scared, they are gonna get tagged as irate and not being cooperative and they will end up hurt or dead..

THAT is not something I think should happen before someone has an *A-ha* moment...

Also don't forget those latinos could have been there hundreds of years, like everything else this country took the land from them...

Funny how that is forgotten..

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

Yanno I hate to remind you all

It's not just the *latinos* breaking and entering into this country... We are just easier to pick out... Now how you think this may end in a positive note I dunno..

Here is what *I* am afraid is gonna happen

Some poor brown person (they could be any nationality) is gonna get pulled over, get upset, get scared, they are gonna get tagged as irate and not being cooperative and they will end up hurt or dead..

THAT is not something I think should happen before someone has an *A-ha* moment...

Also don't forget those latinos could have been there hundreds of years, like everything else this country took the land from them...

Funny how that is forgotten..

Yup... there are many immigrant groups, but the indigenous peoples remain hidden, marginalized and forgotten... always have been. Also, the indigenous nature of Latinos gets forgotten (all the way to South American and Spanish roots)... as well as all Native American peoples. Hell, simply 20th Century immigration history (during the teens and early 1920's- but do go back to the late 1800's), and the conditions that the Irish, Italian, German, Chinese, Japanese, etc. (and how radicalization was applied) ought to bring us to truths about WASP group-think! Add black slavery and we have a pretty sad picture! The bigoted mind-set of racial and ethnic thinking in the WASP ridden USA is actually alive and well. Which is the center of the damn problem!

Hummm... now what have many said about historical bias? and the different types of historians that gain respect and are quoted most often in the US?

What I get so frustrated about is that it just feels like we don’t just take action! How long do we put up with this stuff? Frankly, I don't have much faith in the masses to educate themselves- they don't give a flying fuck. How can we get to dealing effectively with this?

[SuperFemme]

The Gov. may have just signed this bill but problems in AZ have been going on for quite some time. The *Border Checkpoints* nowhere near the borders are stripping away Fourth Amendment rights from citizens every day.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by SuperFemme

The Gov. may have just signed this bill but problems in AZ have been going on for quite some time. The *Border Checkpoints* nowhere near the borders are stripping away Fourth Amendment rights from citizens every day.

Looking forward to more of this bullshit happening, LEGALLY...

How no one can see how this is outright racism I don't know..

Crypt Keeper she is not, he was not real, this scary bitch is... and THAT is worse...

[Rook]

I changed the channel...
I aint watchin' cnn or msnbc today...
my BP's feelin fucked at the moment...
Got enuff with the Weather being all "wizard of oz".
And I do agree with Snow, that bitch lost any respectable words I could possibly give her simply based on Gender when she signed a Carte Blanche for Arizona Cops to go after anyone they felt was Illegal, considering how things are down there, My guess is anyone that's Brown & makes a Cop twitch....
Crypt Keeper's too fuckin' Nice for her...I liked the crypt keeper lol..
And , if it were a Wrinkly ole white haired Man, I'd still insult his ass if he did the same shit.....
Whatever happened to

Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door

Oh wait... I forgot... It also says "Wait, stop....Not You .....or You ....and ..hmm, well, No, not you, step aside"

fuckin' kingkong sized balls...
I'll go, when they rebuild the fuckin Mayflower and go also....

[The_Lady_Snow]

Frankly

I find her to be a

*cunt nugget*

[Toughy]

I'd be interested in knowing if law enforcement groups endorsed this new law or were they opposed to it? If they opposed it, it just further supports that this was a dumb political move for Brewer. It is stuff like this that swings law enforcement support in elections to the Democrats. If she is pandering to a narrow band of conservatives in her party, what has she accomplished? As a politician, she's shot herself in the foot twice -- once with Latino voters and maybe again with law enforcement.

see my post #13 ...........I listed a couple of articles about police support and non-support .........plus a summary of the bill......

[evolveme]

Originally Posted by Rook

And I do agree with Snow, that bitch lost any respectable words I could possibly give her simply based on Gender when she signed a Carte Blanche for Arizona Cops to go after anyone they felt was Illegal, considering how things are down there, My guess is anyone that's Brown & makes a Cop twitch....
Crypt Keeper's too fuckin' Nice for her...I liked the crypt keeper lol..

This was never about respect based on gender; it was about avoiding disrespect based on gender. Or age. This governor loses our respect solely based on her racist policies. To announce derision based on these other, peripheral and unrelated things opens a dangerous door.

If I disagreed with someone here, would it be okay for me to say something like: What a disgusting tranny? Or what an ignorant femme slut bag? Making these things personal is untenable to me. And anyone who knows me personally knows that I believe this. It is my personal politic.

Okay. Moving on.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by evolveme

This was never about respect based on gender; it was about avoiding disrespect based on gender. Or age. This governor loses our respect solely based on her racist policies. To announce derision based on these other, peripheral and unrelated things opens a dangerous door.

If I disagreed with someone here, would it be okay for me to say something like: What a disgusting tranny? Or what an ignorant femme slut bag? Making these things personal is untenable to me. And anyone who knows me personally knows that I believe this. It is my personal politic.

Okay. Moving on.

You could always start a thread about it!!