Lesbian Couple "Looks into Transgender" as a Loophole to Get Married

[tantalizingfemme]

Originally Posted by honeybarbara

Some peoples gender fluxes in a day to day fashion. So what?

But do they get all of the straight priveleges that are now legally and permanently afforded to this couple?

Originally Posted by honeybarbara

I know that's it's super easy to get both breasts removed. I like to do it every five years.

Well it was a whole lot faster then waiting for CA to jump on the bandwagon.

[BullDog]

As a lesbian, should I be upset that an FTM who achieves male status can get "straight privilege" via marriage and I can't?

Same sex couples are supposed to "fight the good fight" or get married in another state or country that they don't even live in- which basically is meaningless from a legal standpoint.

I don't necessarily think it was a wise move, but these comments about "taking the easy way out" do tick me off.

[tantalizingfemme]

Originally Posted by BullDog

I don't necessarily think it was a wise move, but these comments about "taking the easy way out" do tick me off.

Can I ask why it bothers you? I'm just curious.

[BullDog]

I don't think it's damn easy for anyone of us- lesbian, trans or anyone else.

Christine & Jacki could easily be members of the Planet and fit right in. As far as I know they are not, but they have the same struggles all of us here do- with gender, navigating the legal system, etc. I don't see them on easy street. Far from it.

[tantalizingfemme]

Originally Posted by BullDog

I don't think it's damn easy for anyone of us- lesbian, trans or anyone else.

Christine & Jacki could easily be members of the Planet and fit right in. As far as I know they are not, but they have the same struggles all of us here do- with gender, navigating the legal system, etc. I don't see them on easy street. Far from it.

I hear what you are saying. I guess I see the path they have ahead of themselves as a little more yellow brick roadish than many who are not in a straight marriage and living in a state that doesn't allow gay marriage.

Thanks for your response.

[BullDog]

Thank you for your response as well. Yes, I don't see the situation in California being dire, but on the other hand the legal state of marriage for same sex couples is still tenuous at best in most places. But yes it makes it puzzling for me, but I don't see it as an easy way out.

What they want is equal rights. It's what we all want.

I think marriage can be very tenuous for transsexed people as well. I have heard more than one person mention their marriages are often investigated for fraud.

I don't see this as a "transgender/transsexual loophole." It is a "heterosexual" loophole where if you have one legal male and one legal female you can have a legal marriage. Obviously, if you had two transsexed individuals of the same legal sex (2 females or 2 males) this "loophole" wouldn't apply either.

As a lesbian, I would be happy if achieving lesbian status for someone who wasn't lesbian so they could get married or achieve something for their partners or families was helpful. Unfortunately, there is no legal, financial or any other institutional advantage to doing so. There also isn't for being transsexed/transgender. It is lining up with a so-called heterosexual coupling that does the trick. The defenders of "traditional" marriage are not happy with an FTM or MTF getting married to someone of the opposite sex-they will see that as a "loophole" or worse.

If anything, I see this could be viewed just as much as undermining of same sex marriage, but that isn't how it's being viewed, which I do find fascinating.