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This is so sad.
and she says God told her to do these things.
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Any time someone who is not a politician or person of influence says that, they bring the men with the white jackets. ![]() |
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Then I thought of Nazy Germany, and last I thought of V, the series, only because I watched it last night ![]() I mean, really? |
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What's really interesting to me, is that in the movies... any foreign country official always asks "ve vant to see your PaPers". Is it just here that we aren't supposed to ask?
Perhaps because so many European countries "touch" each other, they are more interested in seeing who is crossing their borders. Perhaps, because we are so, oh, I dunno, separate, we are just supposed to allow anyone in at any time. If the bottom line is, have your papers in hand when they ask for them then go on your merry way, then what is really the problem? Now.. I will say I am playing Devils Advocate with this, as it seems to be a simple solution and good as hell reason to sue for racial profiling. IF you have proper documentation and get pulled over because "you are brown".. SUE THE FUCK OUT OF THEM. If by chance, you don't, then damn, maybe you should have paid attention to all this shit. IF you are here and are going through the process, then you will have some proof of that. IF you are here ILLEGALLY and don't have proof you are going through the process, then hmmm.. go home and start over.It's really that simple. Fully expecting bullshit to fall out of this post. Because it is way too simple. Way too easy to see it for what it is. I say, beat them at their game. It's easy. Have your papers ready to shove ever so politely in their face, whichever state of citizenship you fall into. |
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A free country, or at least one that prides itself in being one, does not asks for such papers. This is not bullshit, this is my opinion. |
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Pima County Sheriff Calls Arizona Law "Stupid," Will Not Enforce It (VIDEO)
Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik, who I am assuming is something of a master of the "complex and demanding craft of policing" seeing as how he's been a policeman for over five decades, begs to differ. Per Amanda Terkel, Dupnik called the law "racist" and "disgusting" and "stupid" and, in his "nuanced judgment" could not be enforced without mandatory racial profiling. Dupnik's reckoning of the legal issue is that he's just as likely to be sued for racial profiling as he is for not doing enough racial profiling, so he's standing pat, and will not enforce the new law. [WATCH] |
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I used the "in the movies" statement to stress a point. Most other countries do ask for some sort of ID. Most folks who travel to the UK for example, go through customs. They show their ID/ reason for being there and move on. Folks aren't crawling in through tunnels. Does that make any sense at all?
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I am not following your train of thought. No, most other countries don't ask you for some ID just because they can while you are say, walking, driving, having a cup of coffee, or enjoying the sights at the Eiffel Tower. No, they don't. The setting you speak of is completely different than what the Arizona law now allows. Do you follow me? |
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Again, in foreign countries, you go in showing your ID. You don't go in via the back of a van. |
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As a privileged (middle class, educated) white woman, I am even hassled at the USA border to go into your country to visit my husband. Oh my, the things they ask just to make sure I am not going to steal all of the USA's precious benefits and stay illegally. (He does not have the same level of interrogation--by any means--when crossing into Canada).
I cannot imagine what it would be like just to be targeted (once I am allowed admittance) to show papers based on my skin colour (going out to dinner/movies whatever!)...and that IS what would happen if I wasn't white. If my husband lived in Arizona, and I wasn't white, they could possibly stop me and ask for my papers solely based on my appearance and detain me until it was determined that I was not there illegally. And, when I do visit, no, I do not carry documentation at all times. I cannot imagine the fear of people (visitors, residents, citizens!) who are not white who MUST carry the proper documents at ALL TIMES! |
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However, if someone has come here illegally and is trying to save money to send back home so that the rest of the family can come over here, legally, then it's not just a simple case of 'send 'em back'. Very often, they've nearly died getting here to take advantage of what so many take for granted. I could not, with my twisted sense of morality, do that to someone. Humans have a right to live and, if one illegal person is sent back, it affects not only them but their whole family...not to mention they'll probably get their ass kicked in the process of being 'sent back' (like defective merchandise, no?) or even killed. I'm not down with that. |
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I see your point. I will also add that not every single illegal immigrant is here to send money back to their poor family. My entire argument is for those who aren't. Anyone who approaches the US Embassy with a valid case to be a refugee is granted immunity. It's just what we do. I think we ( in general) wish to think the best of anyone coming here for a "new beginning/ second chance". It is not always the case. Read: 9/11 Some of those guys somehow got valid pilots licenses. How does that shit happen? How do we document folks we slide through? Not being in a border state struggling with such intimate issues, it is hard for me to be very compassionate. I try, but I also try to be compassionate for the folks who died at the hands of terrorists who were able to take charge of our planes. Ya know? It's a very precarious place to be in judging which is more humane. Asking for papers.. or assuming the good. |
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Jess, I think what UofMfan is saying is that the showing of papers at customs is fine and expected, but just driving down the road? When at the grocery store or pumping gas? Not so much. This would focus attention on all people that 'look' like they 'might' be illegal with no regard to location.
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They got pilot licenses because they passed the requirements to be pilots, they were not required to see if they were terrorists. That was the job of the CIA and FBI, at which they failed miserably, but that is a whole other thread. Anthony McVeigh, I am sure you have heard of him, he is a terrorist and an US born citizen, go figure! Quote:
To bring 911 into this conversation is ridiculous. It is what the Bush administration and Republicans tried to do for 8 years and look where that got us. Facts, and statistics show that most, if not all undocumented immigrants come to the US just for the very fact Gemme mentioned. Few immigrants, legal or undocumented are terrorists. I have facts to back that statement. |
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I'm on my way out for the evening, but I just had to stop by and laugh my ass off over this comment.....
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and also, forgive my skepticism, i'm having a super hard time thinking your posts are just about 'devil's advocacy' when you've advocated prior for waving the confederate flag as a symbol of southern heritage, and now here, a proponent of showing *papers* and suggesting immigrants arrive to this country, 'unlike americans', by van--that's really awful close to *othering* immigrants and saying they 'swam across', and other derogatory ways that racists refer to mexicans. |
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