only another butch would understand

[Mister Bent]

Originally Posted by BullDog

I stand corrected. You said pared down. I haven't pared down anything. I have been responding to all the missiles hurled my way. My focus has never changed.

As to evidence- not to be flippant- but how many years of evidence do you need? Have you been a part of other online butch femme communities? Do you not see how male is overwhelming valued over female? Have you not seen how butch has been equated to male? Have you not seen this?

I said pared down, yep. However, it was not directed specifically at you. I can provide examples in this thread where it has been pared down, if you like.

I tried to make it clear that I respect the position you (collectively) are in, and that I am trying to hear where you are coming from. I have not stated that I don't see male valued over female, I simply haven't addressed it because I don't disagree with it. Hell, I've lived it. I get it.

I don't know how to be more clear that I take no issue with that aspect of this discourse. What I take issue with, one more time, was the content of the last paragraph of your Tough Guise post.

It was/is exclusionary.

You were/are perpetuating the hierarchy. I won't accept that there is one. I won't play to it.

I've been around.

Now I see you calling the content here "ludicrous" and a "hate fest." Here is where I will remind you that you were the one who lit the match to the fire. You made transphobic statements, and now you accuse others of being hateful.

Last time I'm going to say it, accountability, it's a beautiful thing.