Men with boobs.

[BullDog]

Originally Posted by gayla

The theoretical evolution of my gender started there and, to be honest, the pronoun / MID / FID / etc. issues around butch gender are something I've only seen online. With the exception of people I've met through the dash site, I've never had a conversation with another butch about pronouns, ID or any of the other issues we so often discuss here. I also don't know any butches in r/t, again other than those I met through b-f, that use male pronouns offline.

But online, on that site, at that time, it was a must. Butch=hy, femme=she and that's how, at least in chat, we could tell each other apart.

This is my exact experience as well.

I think the argument that you need to have different pronouns to tell the butches from femmes apart is quite ludicrous.

Nat, people have been extremely careful to qualify when they have observed that some femmes refuse to use the right pronouns, etc that it's not all femmes doing it. I don't know how people can be any clearer about that.