It's Time to Boycott Arizona

[Jess]

Originally Posted by Toughy

The new brown voters are legal voters.........even the ones she tossed out were legal voters.....remember the hanging chads of FL and the purging of voter rolls in FL prior to the 2000 elections....same shit different state

As Corkey said.........non-citizens are not allowed to vote in any election anywhere in the country.

You don't have to take any kind of driver's education course to get a driver's license. (You took driver's ed so your parents would pay less than both arms and legs when they put you on their car insurance). You take a written test and a driving test. You pass both you get a license if you have proof of car insurance. What does citizenship have to do with a driver's license? They are separate things.

You don't have to have a driver's license to register to vote. If that was true most of NYC could not register to vote.

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DeanRobert............ya might want to go back and read more carefully.............I posted the link to the AZ legislature website that contained the official summary of the bill and you could also read the entire bill.

I find nothing at all in the legislation that has any merit at all...........nothing........nada.........immigrat ion is a federal responsibility.........

Actually as a resident of VA you do have to take drivers ed or wait til you are 18 to get a license. Sorry, you not being a resident wouldn't know that. and yes, higher insurance premiums are a punishment for not doing so.
Not saying you have to have a license to vote. Saying that with the passing of motor voter folks are automatically prompted to register to vote upon receipt of a license. That is not checked for citizenship at the level of the DMV office. Besides, if someone has a valid address, it is passed. We had many many cases of it happen in Richmond. So, please do not tell me what you have read when I know what I have seen. Up close, in person.


It's kind of hard to say what someone in a state feels that you don't live in and experience everyday. Reading the legislation doesn't always reflect the feelings of all the residents of that particular state.

[Corkey]

In every state I've ever been in, and there have been many, one needs birth certificate, ssoc card, two photo id's, one will do if other forms are present, ie: DD214, utility bill. One must present a valid birth certificate to register to vote to the DMV. It must have the raised seal of the state of birth. So if your state isn't following the Federal laws of voter registration I would suggest you bring it up when you see it happening.

[Jess]

Originally Posted by Corkey

In every state I've ever been in, and there have been many, one needs birth certificate, ssoc card, two photo id's, one will do if other forms are present, ie: DD214, utility bill. One must present a valid birth certificate to register to vote to the DMV. It must have the raised seal of the state of birth. So if your state isn't following the Federal laws of voter registration I would suggest you bring it up when you see it happening.

and the last time I went to renew my license and my birth certificate was question cause the damned "embossed" symbol was worn thin due to keeping it in my wallet for 40 friggen years.. I did. I figure if I was born on a naval base in SC and have to show 87 pieces of proof then everyone should. I also think it is ridiculous.

[Corkey]

Originally Posted by Jess

and the last time I went to renew my license and my birth certificate was question cause the damned "embossed" symbol was worn thin due to keeping it in my wallet for 40 friggen years.. I did. I figure if I was born on a naval base in SC and have to show 87 pieces of proof then everyone should. I also think it is ridiculous.

While I think 87 is tad much, have you thought about getting a new one?
I had to because like I said, lost my home, took 6 weeks and $18 to the state of my birth, but it's raised alright.

[Jess]

Originally Posted by Corkey

While I think 87 is tad much, have you thought about getting a new one?
I had to because like I said, lost my home, took 6 weeks and $18 to the state of my birth, but it's raised alright.

Yeah, finally. Old dogs don't so much like the new tricks. I could never figure out why when we hand over our old license THAT didn't count as a source of ID.. WTF? YOU issued it! Ya know?? der...

[Toughy]

I've had a driver's license for so long it's scary.

Jess........I assumed you were talking adults concerning driver's ed courses based on your entire post.

When I moved back to NM for a while, I took my CA license into DMV with a bank statement to prove my residence, took the written test and got a license.

When I moved back to CA (4 or 5 years later), I went to DMV, showed my NM license and a bank statement and utility bill....took the written test and they gave me a CA license with the same DL number I had when I had lived in CA before...........seems you are in the CA DMV computer forever....laughin....

[Corkey]

Originally Posted by Toughy

I've had a driver's license for so long it's scary.

Jess........I assumed you were talking adults concerning driver's ed courses based on your entire post.

When I moved back to NM for a while, I took my CA license into DMV with a bank statement to prove my residence, took the written test and got a license.

When I moved back to CA (4 or 5 years later), I went to DMV, showed my NM license and a bank statement and utility bill....took the written test and they gave me a CA license with the same DL number I had when I had lived in CA before...........seems you are in the CA DMV computer forever....laughin....

I still remember my DL #. Yep every time I moved back I got the same #.

[Jess]

Originally Posted by Toughy

I've had a driver's license for so long it's scary.

Jess........I assumed you were talking adults concerning driver's ed courses based on your entire post.

When I moved back to NM for a while, I took my CA license into DMV with a bank statement to prove my residence, took the written test and got a license.

When I moved back to CA (4 or 5 years later), I went to DMV, showed my NM license and a bank statement and utility bill....took the written test and they gave me a CA license with the same DL number I had when I had lived in CA before...........seems you are in the CA DMV computer forever....laughin....

I think it was a tad easier prior to around 2005 ( or there abouts) when they stopped using SSN as your DLN. DLN are now issued that aren't SSN. It was about this same time that proof of ID became more detailed. At least, in my state.

[Medusa]

Found this article on Huffington Post this morning:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_553351.html

[Corkey]

Originally Posted by Jess

I think it was a tad easier prior to around 2005 ( or there abouts) when they stopped using SSN as your DLN. DLN are now issued that aren't SSN. It was about this same time that proof of ID became more detailed. At least, in my state.

I've had my DL since I was 16 years old, my SSN has never been in any state my DL #. Proof of ID became harder after 911, for obvious reasons. SSN numbers aren't supposed to be use for anything more than a tracking number for social security and the IRS. This is where our identity rights get muddled. For years now, medical, background checks and other forms now require your SSN. Your SSN is supposed to remain confidential, much like your mothers maiden name at banks and credit unions. Just makes identity theft all the more risky.

[betenoire]

Honestly, though. I would probably faint from shock if so much as ONE white person gets randomly asked to show their papers.

Well - maybe in the early days of the legislation they'll ask a few white people. Make a good show of it. "SEE? We asked that there redhead to show us his birth certificate!" But that'll die down quickly.

I bet I, as a pasty red-headed Canadian with freckles, could probably go to AZ and stay there indefinitely and -never- get noticed. Sure, I've got a funny accent - but I'd just tell people I'm from Wisconsin.

[apretty]

Originally Posted by betenoire

Honestly, though. I would probably faint from shock if so much as ONE white person gets randomly asked to show their papers.

Well - maybe in the early days of the legislation they'll ask a few white people. Make a good show of it. "SEE? We asked that there redhead to show us his birth certificate!" But that'll die down quickly.

I bet I, as a pasty red-headed Canadian with freckles, could probably go to AZ and stay there indefinitely and -never- get noticed. Sure, I've got a funny accent - but I'd just tell people I'm from Wisconsin.

bian bilbray (R-Ca) says it's not racial profiling it's SHOES:

MATTHEWS: Like what, like what? Give me a non-ethnic aspect that would tell you to pick up somebody.

BILBRAY: They will look at the kind of dress you wear, there’s different type of attire, there’s different type of…right down to the shoes, right down to the clothes. But mostly by behavior it’s mostly behavior, just as the law enforcement people here in Washington, DC does it based on certain criminal activity there is behavior things that professionals are trained in across the board and this group shouldn’t be exempt from those observations as much as anybody else.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/04/22/...y-immigration/

[UofMfan]

Originally Posted by apretty

bian bilbray (R-Ca) says it's not racial profiling it's SHOES:

MATTHEWS: Like what, like what? Give me a non-ethnic aspect that would tell you to pick up somebody.

BILBRAY: They will look at the kind of dress you wear, there’s different type of attire, there’s different type of…right down to the shoes, right down to the clothes. But mostly by behavior it’s mostly behavior, just as the law enforcement people here in Washington, DC does it based on certain criminal activity there is behavior things that professionals are trained in across the board and this group shouldn’t be exempt from those observations as much as anybody else.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/04/22/...y-immigration/

I know, when I read that crap I almost fell off my chair. How do these jokers get elected? Oh wait, by like minded people.

[apretty]

Originally Posted by UofMfan

I know, when I read that crap I almost fell off my chair. How do these jokers get elected? Oh wait, by like minded people.

and that's in my beloved california...

i have to get outta here but i was recalling prop 187 in california from years ago, i think it was similar.. gray davis? will be back later