It's Time to Boycott Arizona

[Apocalipstic]

I do worry that this boycott will ultimately most hurt those people it is in support of. So much of Arizona's income is tourism and if it is boycotted then what about the taxi drivers, cooks, laundry people, hotel workers, bartenders,restaurant owners and workers, convention workers and all the people who make things happen?

Even more of them will lose their jobs.

This Governor was not elected by the people, she was next in line after the existing Governor was "promoted" to a Cabinet position by President Obama.

So there she is making draconian laws because, you know, God told her to. People all over the country boycott Arizona and who is hurt? The Governor?
No, not the Governor, the workers are hurt, as usual. The workers who did not elect her.

So not only will people (even kids) have to carry their "papers", but many more jobs will be lost in an area already heavily hit by the recession.

So yes the new laws are terrible, but is boycott the answer?

[apretty]

i think a boycott is only PART of the answer. but i am ALL for a boycott, as are my local and like-minded friends.

Originally Posted by apocalipstic

I do worry that this boycott will ultimately most hurt those people it is in support of. So much of Arizona's income is tourism and if it is boycotted then what about the taxi drivers, cooks, laundry people, hotel workers, bartenders,restaurant owners and workers, convention workers and all the people who make things happen?

Even more of them will lose their jobs.

This Governor was not elected by the people, she was next in line after the existing Governor was "promoted" to a Cabinet position by President Obama.

So there she is making draconian laws because, you know, God told her to. People all over the country boycott Arizona and who is hurt? The Governor?
No, not the Governor, the workers are hurt, as usual. The workers who did not elect her.

So not only will people (even kids) have to carry their "papers", but many more jobs will be lost in an area already heavily hit by the recession.

So yes the new laws are terrible, but is boycott the answer?

[Apocalipstic]

Originally Posted by apretty

i think a boycott is only PART of the answer. but i am ALL for a boycott, as are my local and like-minded friends.

I wondered how people who actually live in AZ felt about this.

I hope this will go away as unconstitutional quickly.

I wonder if there is a plan to help the people who will lose their jobs becasue of the boycott? The regular people who do laundry, clean rooms, cook food. There needs to be, because they will bear the brunt.

[Apocalipstic]

It seem to be a Catch 22.

Either way, the workers will be the ones who pay.

Not that idiot Governor.

*rant*

[BornBronson]

Speaking of idiots,who are these entertainers coming on CNN,HLN fueling the fires between the races.Seems to me there are two issues being fought here.One is a law passing to protect an American border and the other about protecting 'brown' people.That law in Arizona will benefit both Americans and illegals,regardless if you come over from Russia,China,or Mexico.If you have your "green card",that means you have certain rights like an American.Without them,you're pretty much left to the wolves,and believe me,we have plenty of them just waiting to take advantage of people without their papers in this country.There's nothing more evil to me then pitting Americans against each other,specially for political gain..that's just plain evil y'all.

[dreadgeek]

Originally Posted by BornBronson

Speaking of idiots,who are these entertainers coming on CNN,HLN fueling the fires between the races.Seems to me there are two issues being fought here.One is a law passing to protect an American border and the other about protecting 'brown' people.That law in Arizona will benefit both Americans and illegals,regardless if you come over from Russia,China,or Mexico.If you have your "green card",that means you have certain rights like an American.Without them,you're pretty much left to the wolves,and believe me,we have plenty of them just waiting to take advantage of people without their papers in this country.There's nothing more evil to me then pitting Americans against each other,specially for political gain..that's just plain evil y'all.

Can you explain to me, because perhaps I'm dense, how this law will protect brown people? It seems to me that this law targets brown people. Let me try to explain why:

The law, as written, says that police officers can (and are required to) stop anyone they have a 'reasonable suspicion' is in the country illegally. Please note that this is *different* than saying that if in the course of, say, a routine traffic the officer has a reasonable suspicion that the person might be in the country illegally (driver's license seems fake, something along those lines). It is saying 'if you see someone who *looks like* they are here illegally'.

The reason I bring this up, Born, is because--well, let me put it to you like this. I am more or less cinnamon-colored and have shoulder-length dreadlocks. My wife is, pale, red-haired, hazel-eyed. When this law was passed and we were discussing it, I asked her (because I knew that at some point I'd need the information) how many times she had been asked if she was from Ireland or Scotland. She said no one had ever asked her that. She'd been asked if she was of Irish descent but not if she was from Ireland (those ARE different questions). Now, I can't count the number of times people have asked me if I was from Jamaica or, more generically, where I am from. Now, if I had an accent, perhaps that would be understandable but any accent I have is a West Coast accent (I think I have that midwestern newscaster accent, but that's a different story). So what's the difference? While it's empirically true that 'American' isn't a race, most people treat 'American' as a synonym for 'white' on a day-to-day, ad hoc basis. So even though my wife could just as easily be from Ireland, looking like she does, and I could, perhaps, be from Jamaica looking like I do, she is never asked if she is from a foreign country while I am. The difference? She has white skin and I have brown skin. That's it.

So let's return to this law: how is it that this is NOT an open invitation to racial profiling and how is it that this law HELPS brown people, precisely?

[apretty]

more local news, this is the guy (russell pearce, R-Mesa) who actually drafted the bill and he wants the police to ask about your citizenship on your own property. (i thought you'd need a search warrant to be on someone's property, but guess not)

http://www.kpho.com/video/23315330/index.html

[Apocalipstic]

While I agree that people who want to emmigrate to the USA are often victimized by the very people they trust to bring them here, I do not agree that they should be kept out.

No one travels to the US in a shipping container from SE Asia beacsue they have a good life at home. No one leaves their home and family in Honduras to WALK to the US becasue they just feel like it.

The USA was set up by immigrants and has always been horrible to it's most recent immigrans.

[key]

Originally Posted by apocalipstic

I do worry that this boycott will ultimately most hurt those people it is in support of. So much of Arizona's income is tourism and if it is boycotted then what about the taxi drivers, cooks, laundry people, hotel workers, bartenders,restaurant owners and workers, convention workers and all the people who make things happen?


So not only will people (even kids) have to carry their "papers", but many more jobs will be lost in an area already heavily hit by the recession.

So yes the new laws are terrible, but is boycott the answer?

Boycotting a state for a law still does not address the problem. This reminds me of the breed laws against pit bulls to address (a perceived) rise in dog attacks (actually balloons kill more people in America and there is no panic to ban balloons).

This law, and this boycott is still not addressing the real problem. Just like the Health Care Bill did not address the real problem (the big corporate money in medicine). The problem we, as a country are having, is a race to the bottom line, to pay the absolute lowest wage possible to workers in America. "They say" that Mexicans take jobs that Americans don't want to do, that is not accurate. Mexicans take jobs that Americans won't do for a non-living wage. Pay someone 12-15 bucks and hour, and your fields will be filled with American workers, especially during the harvest season. High school and college students would snap those jobs us so fast...

We Americans need to demand living wages for all workers in America. And we need to boycott all companies who do not pay a living wage. It is a viscous cycle, people making less than living wages can't afford to shop anywhere that pays living wages, so their precious few dollars go to fatten the wallets of the pariah corporate fascists driving wages as low as they can go. and on and on it goes.

Poor people need to stop fighting amongst themselves black, white, brown or otherwise, and ban together to change this broken capitalist system. Tea Partiers and Tree Huggers Unite! Look beyond your own personal struggles and see that, as Ben Franklin said (paraphrased), we must all work together or we shall all perish separately.

Stand UP against Pariah Capitalists with no loyalty to this country, only to their bottom line.

[Apocalipstic]

Originally Posted by key

Boycotting a state for a law still does not address the problem. This reminds me of the breed laws against pit bulls to address (a perceived) rise in dog attacks (actually balloons kill more people in America and there is no panic to ban balloons).

This law, and this boycott is still not addressing the real problem. Just like the Health Care Bill did not address the real problem (the big corporate money in medicine). The problem we, as a country are having, is a race to the bottom line, to pay the absolute lowest wage possible to workers in America. "They say" that Mexicans take jobs that Americans don't want to do, that is not accurate. Mexicans take jobs that Americans won't do for a non-living wage. Pay someone 12-15 bucks and hour, and your fields will be filled with American workers, especially during the harvest season. High school and college students would snap those jobs us so fast...

We Americans need to demand living wages for all workers in America. And we need to boycott all companies who do not pay a living wage. It is a viscous cycle, people making less than living wages can't afford to shop anywhere that pays living wages, so their precious few dollars go to fatten the wallets of the pariah corporate fascists driving wages as low as they can go. and on and on it goes.

Poor people need to stop fighting amongst themselves black, white, brown or otherwise, and ban together to change this broken capitalist system. Tea Partiers and Tree Huggers Unite! Look beyond your own personal struggles and see that, as Ben Franklin said (paraphrased), we must all work together or we shall all perish separately.

Stand UP against Pariah Capitalists with no loyalty to this country, only to their bottom line.

I agree.

Until we all expect a living wage for everyone and healthcare for everyone nothing is going to change.

This country was built on the backs of salves and people who had no other choice than to work for below a "living wage".

ps. I do want to be clear that I am for finding a way to make immigrants feel welcome and a part of the "American" dream.

[Rook]

The Chef/Cook that gets stopped in his/her chevette by an AZ cop under Suspicion of illegal status, regardless if they are citizens will probably think "Racist fucker" because of this Law....
Same for Laundry lady, housekeeper, and the occasional Latino Doctor, Lawyer, Contractor in their Beemer {Lord knows Latinos can't even afford a Lexus, unless doing sneaky stuff, like POC}
Mind you, if ....IF their salary is affected, based on federal minimum wage laws, they can and should legally challenge it.

The protest, IMO, is just a small way to let these "small potatoes" workers know we're supporting them, and voicing our opposition, vocally & visibly demanding change that should be heard & seen, on pain of financial strain that yes indeed the local government will feel on next elections{lack of donations/votes/support}.

There's a lot of things that need to be fixed first, true, but at the moment? We might wanna pay attention to an issue that can be solved sooner than the others..Kinda like a Finals exam, deal with the easy questions first, get them out of the way, then tackle the hard ones...

[I'm still depressed about cold stone creamery...but, I got ben & jerry's as consolation]

[apretty]

shakira speaks out, talks with phoenix mayor (who is against the racist law):

[apretty]

did everyone see this? jon stewart calls arizona, 'the meth lab of democracy'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_553157.html